its not like duncan did it alone either. correct me if im wrong robinson wasnt a scrub and was in the 50 greatest players list. and then recently with manu and tony. just like kobe had shaq and then the current team with bynum pau etc
Tim is in a league Bryant can never hope to be in. Comparing the two is absurd. Tim is the greatest 4 of all time. Bryant is one the greatest prima donas and whiners of all time. Shaquille was the real reason that LA won the 2000, 01 and 02 Championships. Bryant was just along for the ride. Tim on the other hand has led four different teams to four les.
Duncan has never won without David Robinson or Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. What a sorry sack of , he can't lead a team by himself.
Do you realize how dumb you all sound every time you try and discredit the 3 NBA Championships Kobe has?
Oh please, Duncan lead those players to les. You seriously think Kobe is winning three les without Shaq? Seriously?
Manu and Tony of 2003 were role players. Tony sucked so hard Speedy Claxton had to play during the crucial minutes of the Finals.
In 2003 he had David Robinson, Bruce Bowen, Steve Kerr, Stephen Jackson, Malik Rose, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili as his supporting cast. That's a championship caliber roster, don't even think about trying to argue that's a weak supporting cast. Maybe it's weak compared to the Spur's roster in '05 or '07, but that is not band of misfits like you make it out to be. Duncan wouldn't have won without the great supporting cast around him.
It's hilarious how you try and discredit Kobe as not being able to lead a team anywhere. Tell me, does Duncan lead a team starting Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton to the promise land? I bet you dumb homers would argue that he would, that's how out of touch with reality you are.
The bottomline is this is the FIRST season since Shaq has left that Kobe has had adequate help around him. #1 in the WC, NBA Finals. I'd say those are same ing amazing results considering his starting C was injured for half the season and all of the playoffs. Not to mention the team having to adjust to many in-season trades and injuries........all amidst the most compe ive WC in decades.
3 Finals MPVs > 0
kobe is very talented but until he LEADS multiple teams to a championship than this whole debate is pointless!
10 years from now no one will remember Tim Duncan. They will all speak the greatness that is LeBron James, even if he never makes it to the Finals again.
Tim Duncan will be remembered as the Bill Russell of the his era... and he will continually be linked with the greats like Kareem, Wilt, Russell and Hakeem and will be the measuring stick for future great big men.
Kobe on the other hand, will be remembered as a great volume scorer with the likes of Adrian Dantley and Allen Iverson who happened to be a role player on a championship team.
Laker fan is a bit touchy this morning. Must be that time o' the month.
Dood, isn't there some other place that you can post yor Laker homerism? This is a Spurs board, the least you can do is give a little respect or is it too much to ask?
4 big man better than duncan? I don't see what you're trying to say?/
Duncan's name wasn't even mentioned in that ESPN article because he isn't a center
Smog in LA must really cloud your reading comprehension
It's one thing for you to be a homer...it's another to be dishonest. That poll doesn't include Duncan because it was a poll about centers, not power forwards.
How about this poll, you loser:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2074360
Oh, and btw, Tim won that power forward poll when he only had two Championships. He's added a couple more since then.
at the lakerfan's blatant stupidity exposed.
My God. Can someone be banned for stupidity?
. This may be the all-time most ridiculous statement I've ever read here.
Wow. You owned lakaluva BIG time, dude.
In case you didn't know, that wasn't the hall of fame Robinson, that was the over the hill Robinson who was in his last year in the league. Besides Duncan there wasn't one all star caliber player on that roster. Tony was raw, Manu was raw, Sjax wasn't half as good as he is now. I guarantee you that Kobe could not have taken that team to the finals and won. Weak supporting cast no, but it wasn't great by any means. The reason it was a great team was because Duncan went completely nuts that year and put them over the top.
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Duncan Realizes
No More Rings For THe Spurs for awhile.
u guys have been pretty much the team of the decade, with LA right behind u.
Lakaluva is ma niiigga.
LAKERNATION FO LYFE LAKA!!!
What position does Duncan actually play? It's a little disingenuous to call him a PF since he is the primary lowpost scorer on the Spurs. He's also the defensive anchor.
Because the Spurs fans have so much say in how ESPN does their survey.
So Duncan shouldn't be mentioned with centers, because he isn't a center.
He should be mentioned with Power Forwards, because he is a power forward.
Gotcha.
So far in his career.....
Kobe's accomplishments have been being a role player on 3 championship teams.
He hasnt even earned the right to compare himself to Duncan as an all time great. You can do that by leading a team to a championship first, being the main guy.
Lets wait till he gets that part down.
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