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    No - I suck at tournament poker and would just end up losing Jim's money.
    I don't get it don't you know how to play? How come some red neck truck driver from Nebraska ends up on the final table? Don't you have any confidence?

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    prediction: meltdown.

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    I think Manny doesn't need that extra pressure of losing someone else's money, add to that a website like ST all wishing him well. I almost lost my buzz just now thinking about having to let so many down.

    But at the same the thought of Manny growing a pair and kicking ass in Vegas is a feeling I know Manny must at least think about at one time or another.

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    I think Manny doesn't need that extra pressure of losing someone else's money, add to that a website like ST all wishing him well. I almost lost my buzz just now thinking about having to let so many down.

    But at the same the thought of Manny growing a pair and kicking ass in Vegas is a feeling I know Manny must at least think about at one time or another.


    dumb a$$ thread!

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    That is a lot of hands......................................unless if your a professional poker player or jobless I can't imagine one playing that many hands.

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    You chose such a bad screen name.
    No .

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    No offense, but this is old news.

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    No offense, but this is old news.
    The scandal is. The fact that it may be tied to the founder and that he may be using a front to continue holding onto the company after a supposed public sale isn't. The 2 sites have continued a long time after the initial cheating broke, but now the prevailing opinion is that they are going to go under.

    The whole point was to warn anyone here like Jim or Pete about the site possibly going down. I don't know if they or anyone else has money on those sites currently but I know both have participated in online poker previous so I just wanted to give a heads up to them and anyone else who might not read 2p2 but the thread got side tracked.

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    That is a lot of hands......................................unless if your a professional poker player or jobless I can't imagine one playing that many hands.
    6-8 tables of six max at a time and its far fewer hours than the average American works a week. But yeah, it is a lot of hands. I don't usually get there but its my monthly goal.

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    The scandal is. The fact that it may be tied to the founder and that he may be using a front to continue holding onto the company after a supposed public sale isn't. The 2 sites have continued a long time after the initial cheating broke, but now the prevailing opinion is that they are going to go under.

    The whole point was to warn anyone here like Jim or Pete about the site possibly going down. I don't know if they or anyone else has money on those sites currently but I know both have participated in online poker previous so I just wanted to give a heads up to them and anyone else who might not read 2p2 but the thread got side tracked.
    My site is Pokerstars. Any word on them?

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    Before all this I would have said they were above reproach. Really, they still are (I think Full Tilt is very safe as well but a notch lower than Stars). They are so damn big and do so much volume (largest network in the world) that they really can't afford to jeopardize their earnings in this way. They are also extremely well run and have top notch security with a lot of transparency. I wouldn't keep more money than I had to on any of these sites and I'd never keep any on any payment processors that didn't absolutely have to be there.

    I think eventually this will be good for the industry because it will (hopefully) lead to increased transparency which is always a good thing.

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    Since 1992 Brutalis's Avatar
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    The scandal is. The fact that it may be tied to the founder and that he may be using a front to continue holding onto the company after a supposed public sale isn't. The 2 sites have continued a long time after the initial cheating broke, but now the prevailing opinion is that they are going to go under.

    The whole point was to warn anyone here like Jim or Pete about the site possibly going down. I don't know if they or anyone else has money on those sites currently but I know both have participated in online poker previous so I just wanted to give a heads up to them and anyone else who might not read 2p2 but the thread got side tracked.
    I know I just meant as everyone knows those sites have been stooping people for a long time. Half the tables are friends playing with each other betting up then folding the river anyhow.

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    I know I just meant as everyone knows those sites have been stooping people for a long time. Half the tables are friends playing with each other betting up then folding the river anyhow.
    Sigh, wrong.

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    Every site probably has some cheating on it i know people who actually do this where they play with 2 or 3 other friends on a table and know each others cards. When this happens even if you can't tell they are cheating these tables are usually not fun to play because of the betting so you can leave or play on another table at the same time and you can be very patient wait till you get very good hands they will bet in to you and you can bust them for a lot of money then leave. Makes a boring game but often pays off. But some websites have thousands and thousands of players on them I bet the cheating is on less than 1% of the tables. I play for low stakes so I don't think people would be cheating on the tables I play on very often. I don't play that much but I would guess That I still play about 5000 hands a week. If manny is like me he is probaly playing a few tables at the same time.

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    The vast majority of online players don't win. The vast majority of poker players in general don't win.


    There have been farm more alleged scams being run in live games than there have been online...
    Manny,
    What are some of the live game scams to avoid? I'll start a new thread to keep it simple and get more input.

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    Manny thanks for the heads up!

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    Before all this I would have said they were above reproach. Really, they still are (I think Full Tilt is very safe as well but a notch lower than Stars). They are so damn big and do so much volume (largest network in the world) that they really can't afford to jeopardize their earnings in this way. They are also extremely well run and have top notch security with a lot of transparency. I wouldn't keep more money than I had to on any of these sites and I'd never keep any on any payment processors that didn't absolutely have to be there.

    I think eventually this will be good for the industry because it will (hopefully) lead to increased transparency which is always a good thing.
    That's good to hear, I play Pokerstars quite a bit and Full Tilt every so often. I had had worries that cheating was running around on them, especially after seeing some ridiculous play at times or massive sucking out to the point of thinking there were bots at the table.

    BTW, I'm the opposite of you, I play well in tournaments but sometimes find myself playing poorly in cash games. I think it might be because the focus required to play tournaments keeps me more in tune to the action, while cash games always leave me wandering between site surfing and checking to see if anyone called the blinds.

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    And you have met these players?
    some

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    Someone at this site needs to set up a blackjack,roulette, and poker table in the basement and you need 100.00 to get in the door and at least 100.00 to play.

    who here lives on some land and has a large house?

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    Anyone still playing on those two sites since the scandal went down is just a fool, i never have deposited on either of the two, ive been happy on Stars, Full Tilt is a joke. I dont wish to rehash the issue i had with them again, but i will never put a penny back with them. I just got back from Vegas this morning had a good run in some cash games, god i love playing against drunk people

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    I thought they shut down those companies that allowed you to transfer money from your bank to your online account then to your poker account. I used ( I can't remember) to transfer money to UB about a year or year and half ago but haven't played since.

    Where do I need to go to get set up again to play?

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    Neteller is gone, most of the ewallets that are around don't work with poker sites if you're in the US. I honestly don't know of the best method to deposit. I haven't had to deposit in a long ass time.

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    Yeah Neteller is what I had. So I guess its still an issue. Well someone let me know if they have a way to deposit because I wouldn't mind playing again.

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    Yeah Neteller is what I had. So I guess its still an issue. Well someone let me know if they have a way to deposit because I wouldn't mind playing again.

    i don't play poker, but one of my offshore outs is 5Dimes where you can still load or re-load via WU...but you only do it w/cash.

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    I think the safest and easiest way to deposit is to go to HEB or Walmart and buy those Visa gift cards for 25 50 or 100 that way you don't have to give them account # or set up account with some other paypal type website. Make sure that the gift card says all access on it though some of the others don't work. I know this at least works with PokerStars.

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