last year he was the only one that showed heart against the lakers in playoffs
In rhetoric, that's called paralipsis: stating and drawing attention to something while pretending to pass it over:
"Why would your angel of a daughter be at a bar at such late hours? Not saying at all that it was her fault in any way..."
Oldest trick in the book. Maybe you should join Smith's legal team!
Last edited by Tully365; 07-19-2008 at 03:04 AM.
I'm not talking about alcohol. I'm talking about behavior. Do you spit on girls after a few gin and tonics? Most people do not behave that way. "Liking alcohol" is very different from "making terrible mistakes when drinking." That's what I mean.
In abstract writing it is called interpretation: a conception of another's behavior!
Was not trying to use a paralipsis. But I now have added a new word to my vocabulary!
I know what you are saying. Very true. My point was that although the acts are undefended, that I do not think they stem from malice, just immaturity.
But either way, he is out of the picture at least for now and there are some character issues that need to be addressed.
Getting continuously burned by Kobe? I saw that, great heart.
BTW, I missed the part where Pop got drunk in public, sprayed champagne, spat and ripped the shirt of a woman, great analogy, emphasis on anal.
who does not get burned by kobe
QUESTION
denver star does not play d so no one thinks they do
it all starts with the franchise player
I'm pretty sure everyone around the league thought the spurs would be going after this guy.
The other upside is that Smith is a LOSER. Sure, he has great athleticism and range, but he makes poor decisions and the word "team" is not in his vocab. He singlehandedly loses games for the Nuggets, and we don't need players like that.
I'm glad we never made a run at him, and am proud to say that I've maintained that stance since people first mentioned him 2 years ago.
Even J.R. Smith's own coach, George Karl, has stated that Smith makes a travesty of the game. I for one am glad he won't be coming over to the Spurs. Can you imagine how high the top of Coach Pop's head would fly if Smith played for the Spurs and he tries to pad his stats by tossing up a shot at the opponents backboard just to try to get his own rebound, after the play is over!
It's funny how so many fans here wanted JR badly when he was available, but now that the Spurs have no chance, all of a sudden he becomes the biggest idiot in the NBA.
Kinda like how i hate Manu with a passion but yet id love him if he was on the Nuggets
JR has done some dumb things but people can grow up and change. He would have been great as a Spur. Roger Mason will be great, but less risk and less reward.
Are you trying to say that the reported incident had nothing to do with that?
For his sake, he'd better.
Are you trying to say that the reported incident had nothing to do with that?
Of course the Spurs organisation took those kind of things into consideration, but don't try and tell me the majority of fans here at Spurstalk actually did. They wanted him coz they know the reward will be great if he gets his head screwed on straight.
High risk, high reward. Flashy trades or acquisitions. Attention-grabbing moves.
Some spoiled fans wouldn't be content with anything else.
Pistons, Celtics ...
Nah. He has anti-Spurs DNA in his blood. Everyone knows this.
I don't know, I think some fans realized we need a player who can score and JR Smith was the best scorer available. If we have to lean heavily on the Big 3 again during the regular season, then it doesn't help our chances in the playoffs. I think most fans recognized the risk but thought to stay on top it was worth rolling the dice. Roger Mason is not going to solve our scoring problems though he will be a good team player. Now, there is more pressure on Ian and whoever else to help out with the scoring.
I think the tearing of the the dress and spitting part was fabricated by this woman. Her story doesn't sound right. Why would he apologize, then start cursing you and tear your dress? I'm sorry,so sorry, STUPID ING !!! RIPPPPPP!!!!! Does that sound believable? I think this is just a setup for a civil trial. That woman is just seeing
There's nothing lovable about some of these recent events. It's a little bit different than flopping in an effort to help your team win.Kinda like how i hate Manu with a passion but yet id love him if he was on the Nuggets
No doubt. But since the Nuggets would match anyways, all of this discussion is really moot. The Spurs FO never had to make a decision based on character.
Now that part I agree with - especially considering how much venom has been spewed about Mickael Pietrus' BBIQ. As if Smith, while extremely talented, is some hoops Einstein.
I agree. I liked Pietrus over Smith from day 1 of free agency because I thought he was a better fit with the Spurs. Smith will keep shooting the ball until told to stop-- he's a good scorer, but not so good that I'd want to risk team chemistry, and definitely not so good that I'd want him to think of himself as an option equal to or better than Tim, Tony, or Manu. He's not crazy about passing, and he's not especially enthusiastic about defense. True, he tried to D up Kobe in the playoffs, but that strikes me as a Jerome James-type of move: spotlight + contract year= extra effort. It can't erase 3 years of defensive disinterest.
We'll see what happens this year with him. Maybe the lack of offers this time around will humble him, and help him to mature. If that happens and he's unrestricted next year, it might be a different story. Though by then, Mason might a solid part of the rotation, meaning the SG position would be pretty solid, making the SF position priority #1.
I have never been a fan of JR Smith. His athleticism and playmaking ability are good. But his basketball IQ is LOW!!!
I've seen him in the three years of the playoffs and he has questionable shot selection.
Yes...he can get hot (like he did in the Lakers' series). But on the Spurs shot selection is important and coming down to jack up shots would drive Pop crazy!!!
Is he a talent, yes!! But he has to grow-up on the basketball court as well as off the court.
He is definitely high risk, high reward. I would pass on him right now...though!!
Karl is not the only coach that Smith has had trouble with because of his at ude. He was benched by Byron Scott in NO and later traded to Denver.
Not every four year player has immaturity issues that get him into trouble both outside the locker room and within. It's a shame that a talented guy can't get it together.
I question whether Pop's original interest in the guy has been sustained after his stint in Denver where his behaviour has reinforced the image of a player with problems first diagnosed by Byron White. Coaches talk.
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