Hmm, Police officers go through a much more severe training and selection process than a simple concealed weapon permit and attending a crisis course. If these teachers would have to go through the same training and selection process that a cop has to go through, then I would definitely be more inclined to think that there's less room for human error.
Cops are probably more likely to be criminals than are teachers, and they have more stress in their lives than almost any teacher does. Police screenings aren't any more infallible than teacher screenings would be. See messes such as the Rampart scandal or the New Orleans cops who were putting hits on drug dealers as a service to other dealers.
Oh really? What are the odds then? Do tell.
Care to back that up with any numbers?
I didn't say cops don't go wonka, but they do have a much more stringent training program that this would-be peacekeeping teachers.
I said probably because I didn't have numbers. I said probably because you constantly hear about police killing people, assaulting people, raping people, running drugs, and so on. Lots of cops are crooked the same way lots of politicians are; because they want power. I'm not arguing the merits of having a police force at schools; I'm saying the whacked-out teacher scenario is less likely than the whacked-out cop. That stringent police training doesn't filter out the assholes, and nothing will disqualify everyone who wants to do wrong. That doesn't mean we should all just go hand in our weapons out of fear.
I fail to understand the mentality of those who are afraid of people carrying firearms legally. People who are willing to be screened for concealed carry permits should be held in high esteem rather than criticized. people who are known to have weapons are no where near the threat compared to one who will illegally take a firearm into a situation. We have too many firearms in the USA to control. Anyone wishing to commit a crime can get one rather easily. It is those who carry without going through the process who are a threat. Not those who submit to the permit process.
I'm curious. Why does the left cry about such things as tamper proof ID as an intrusion of personal freedoms, then not stand up for the second amendment?
Think about that the next time I call you guys lib s. You are truly re ed in the ways of real freedoms.
When it comes to schools, I do think they should ins ute a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy on the conceal carry. We don't want a criminal student taking a teacher by surprise to take his or her weapon, right? Besides, surprise is an important element. When the potential 'Columbine shooting' student decides to take action, it will likely be detoured if the student doesn't have a clue as to which classes has teachers with and without guns.
Seriously...
You have a bunch of fools in here who know nothing about CHL...
Yeah, and of course those police officers don't have to worry about the rest of the community. Someone could kick in the front door to the school and by the time the police respond (unless their station is at the school's front door) they're just going to be counting bodies.
That's the point.
Using a weapon inappropriately doesn't mean someone shot someone. If Florida's CHL laws are anything like the ones in Texas, you can be arrested for something as innocent as reaching for something on the high shelf at the supermarket and having some little old lady seeing your gun when your shirt comes up.
Your ignorance of the laws isn't an excuse to make stupid comments about it (what am I saying, you're an anti-gun, anti-American lefty).
And where are all these mishaps among the state's many CHL holders that would translate to the school?
Winner.
You're going to be counting bodies regardless. Listen, this country has a Cons ution that gives you the right to bear arms. I completely respect that. I even despise the Pelosis out there that want to trump the Cons ution with whatever bull they can come up with, only to (thankfully) get trumped by the Supreme Court. That said, I don't *have to* like the fact that people around me might be carrying guns. I just accept it as a trade-off of living in this country. Also, unless this ordinance becomes popular, it doesn't affect me much, since you can always send your kids to another school.
You can hold the Virginia Tech murderer in high esteem, I guess. I sure won't.
After all, he actually legally purchased the guns he used. That is part of the problem too: the system of checks is obviously broken or worked around.
However, I'll stop here since it's not really relevant to this particular topic.
Legally purchasing a weapon and holding a CHL are 2 completely different things. You really should learn a bit more about what a CHL actually is before you hit one more reply in this thread. All of your posts are so easily refuted because you keep replying out of ignorance.
All the information available shows that people with CHLs are incredibly law abiding having much lower criminal activity than the rest of the general population.
Will they be allowed to wear shoulder holsters? What about those wild west waist holsters
A CHL is a Concealed Handgun License. Anybody can get one provided they pay the fees and pass the tests/background check. In the case of Texas, you have to complete a 10 hour course, qualifying at the range with a handgun, then pass a 50 question test. After that, you pay a fee and apply for the license with the State. The State then proceeds to do the background check on you, and issues the license. The license is good for 5 years after which it needs to be re-certified. CHL terms and conditions vary by State.
What else do I need to know? Am I missing something?
A level-headed person who knows how to use his weapon changes the balance of power pretty quickly over a nut just looking to blow everything away.
True, but the fact that guns were banned in the school kept others, who are law abiding citizens, who may have stopped the incident, from bringing their weapons.
It is realvant. Gun free zones place a bullseye on the people in them who follow the laws. They become a safe zone for criminals who don't follow the laws.
Open carry and concealed are two different things. In most states, there is no question that a person has "the right to BEAR arms!" To bear arms is to openly carry. It is a cons utional right.
I wonder how long before some teacher snaps and goes postal.
Don't you think they would bring a weapon in if they were to, legal or not?
It's illegal to bring a weapon into a post office. Therefore, postal examples only support that the ban doesn't help.
That's part of the background check part on my CHL description. Again, what did I miss?
Not necessarily. The Beltway sniper attacks come to mind...
The Cons ution gives you the right to arm yourself. If you are not taking advantage of that right, it's only your fault and nobody else's. So i don't really know what are you ing about.
Maybe. Maybe it would have not made an iota of a difference. Maybe it would have been worse. We just won't know. Like I said earlier, we'll see how this ordinance works. If it saves a few lives, great. I still personally don't like it though.
Doesn't excuse the fact he shouldn't have been able to buy the guns to begin with. See, if controls really would have worked, then the incident would have not happened period.
You just want to banter about gun free zones. That's cool, but not what I meant by being irrelevant.
My irrelevancy point was aimed towards the fact we're not discussing gun purchases or how does the checks for those purchases can fatally fail sometimes. That's all.
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