Greatest Athlete according to Phil Jackson. Not MJ or KB....it's

[stretch]

I've never disrespected Rodman's skillset or blindly hated him. I gave airtight reasons why Rodman was a piece of in a lot of his stops, and all anyone here can do is make excuses about him not getting an extension (at a time when he still had that year and another remaining on his contract) or him not getting along with teammates. You're not a team player if you can't put aside beefs with other players you're supposed to be working with and helping.

and none of that has nothing to do with what he is capable of doing on the court. that is a whole different subject. i dont see why you keep bringing that to the table, when it has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

[baseline bum]

Rodman wasn't incredibly athletic, he wont jump outta the park, but he is incredibly smart, and just have a knack of tipping those rebounds in his favor, he's also incredibly durable, and a good passer, he's just an all around high IQ baller, people who knocks on his IQ are re ed, he marketed himself extremely well on and off the court, and the spurs fans were like jazz fans at that time, uptight assholes, which included David Robinson, not wanting to take the blame for his crapper in 95.

Another ing re who thinks 95 was all Robinson's fault, but somehow Rodman's not to blame for quitting on the team.

[baseline bum]

LMAO @ Spurs fans being uptight assholes. Rodman was way more popular than Robinson here until he pulled the '95 disappearing act.

[baseline bum]

and none of that has nothing to do with what he is capable of doing on the court. that is a whole different subject. i dont see why you keep bringing that to the table, when it has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

This thread has a lot of people ignoring his destructive actions on the court while presenting Rodman as a model player for a team to win around, so it is relevant.

[stretch]

This thread has a lot of people ignoring his destructive actions on the court while presenting Rodman as a model player for a team to win around, so it is relevant.

no one ever said anything about Rodman being a model player for a team to win around. just that his skill-sets are all the most vital skills for a team to possess to win championship (rebounding, defense, hard/physical play, determination, heart), and he has them all in one package, which makes him an extremely unique player.

but no, you completely took things out of context. you lack simple comprehnsion skills and leave us to wonder what kind of incomprehensible stupid bull runs through your mind all day.

btw- if his actions were so destructive, then he probably wouldnt have 5 rings and had been a major part of those 5 championship teams. when there is an issue... there is always another side to the story.

[baseline bum]

no one ever said anything about Rodman being a model player for a team to win around.

I've always said, if I could build a team from all the players throughout history, Rodman would be an automatic pick.

And you tell me I have no reading comprehension?

[baseline bum]

but no, you completely took things out of context. you lack simple comprehnsion skills and leave us to wonder what kind of incomprehensible stupid bull runs through your mind all day.

I took nothing out of context. I responded to people who called him the most underrated player of all-time and those who said he belonged on a team of all-time greats. This thread diverged pretty quickly from being just about the physical gifts Phil Jackson was hyping with Rodman. I like when you complained about me blindly discrediting him, and then wanted to change the subject when I called you out on it.

[lefty]

Kobe's huge ego has been insulted.

Bryant is so pissed off he's gonna try to win the rebounding le next season

[baseline bum]

Kobe's huge ego has been insulted.

Bryant is so pissed off he's gonna try to win the rebounding le next season

No... this thread can't be a Kobe and Rodman one at the same time!

[stretch]

And you tell me I have no reading comprehension?

being on the team doesnt mean the team wins AROUND you.

its like saying the Bulls won around Pippen, just because he was on the team, when we all know it was Jordan they won around.

[stretch]

I took nothing out of context. I responded to people who called him the most underrated player of all-time and those who said he belonged on a team of all-time greats. This thread diverged pretty quickly from being just about the physical gifts Phil Jackson was hyping with Rodman. I like when you complained about me blindly discrediting him, and then wanted to change the subject when I called you out on it.

no.

fail

[baseline bum]

cute

[Supergirl]

Rodman and Robinson were equally to blame for the disaster that was Rodman on the Spurs. Robinson can be too preachy and in your face with people whose lifestyles he disagrees, but Rodman was irresponsible and disrespectful to his team. It just wasn't a good match. It was Robinson's team at the time, and Rodman was just too different to gel. It's a good example of how sometimes just adding talent is not the answer.

Nevertheless, none of this has anything to do with the original post, which was about Rodman's physique and whether he was the "greatest athlete" of all time.

[EJK5032]

Rodman highlight video with a PJ song:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba,103886

[And1Mak]

I thought it was going to be DJ Mbenga

[LakeShow]

Do yourself a favor and go check out Rodman's stat totals by season. Throw in everything Stretch said (really consider the intangibility stuff) and then revise your views.

And BTW, the reason the Utah Jazz lost to the Bulls in 97' 98' isn't because we were afraid of Michael. No, it's because Dennis Rodman got into Malone's head like a psychologist and completely owned him.

Rodman could have justifiably been the MVP of that series. At times it looked like he was the only player on the court. I remember one sequence when Rodman dived for a rebound going out of bounds, saved it, got back on the court, grabbed the rebound that bounced wide left, passed it out and grabbed the rebound wide right. The guy was all over the place.

and THAT right there is what makes him special. and the fact that he could do it in pretty much EVERY way that doesnt involve scoring. we have lots of rebounding specialists, defensive specialists, energy/hustling specialists, etc... but Rodman is ALL of those things combined.

and i do agree with your point about Phil. while i think he is a very overrated strategist, I think what makes him a great coach is a skill that most unsuccessful (and even many successful) coaches lack... people skills. he knows how to deal with players very well, and is able to get in their heads in a strangely respectful way that players such as Jordan couldn't even describe, and they cant help but like the guy.

No Doubt! Phil made Rodman an untouchable no matter what MJ, Pippen or any player felt about him. If he broke the rules, phil would just fine him and move on. End of story!

[stretch]

Nevertheless, none of this has anything to do with the original post, which was about Rodman's physique and whether he was the "greatest athlete" of all time.

im not posting this directly towards you, but i noticed several other posters in this thread said the same thing, but actually it was really about the best athlete that Phil Jackson said he personally coached. just wanted to point it out.

[stretch]

I thought it was going to be DJ Mbenga

I actually saw DJ Mbenga at Cafe Brazil in Dallas, off of 75 and Mockingbird the other night. Actually, it was like 3 am on Sunday, lol.