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    Here how a single person with no additional deductions pay federal income tax for 2008, and 2008 if there was no Bush Tax Cuts:

    2008 Income________2008 Tax_______2008 Tax w/out the tax cuts
    __$5,000.00__________$0.00__________$0.00
    __$6,000.00__________$0.00__________$0.00
    __$7,000.00__________$0.00__________$0.00
    __$8,000.00__________$0.00__________$0.00
    __$9,000.00_________$55.00_________$82.50
    _$10,000.00________$155.00________$232.50
    _$11,000.00________$255.00________$382.50
    _$12,000.00________$355.00________$532.50
    _$13,000.00________$455.00________$682.50
    _$14,000.00________$555.00________$832.50
    _$15,000.00________$655.00________$982.50
    _$16,000.00________$755.00______$1,132.50
    _$17,000.00________$881.25______$1,282.50
    _$18,000.00______$1,031.25______$1,432.50
    _$19,000.00______$1,181.25______$1,582.50
    _$20,000.00______$1,331.25______$1,732.50
    _$21,000.00______$1,481.25______$1,882.50
    _$22,000.00______$1,631.25______$2,032.50
    _$23,000.00______$1,781.25______$2,182.50
    _$24,000.00______$1,931.25______$2,332.50
    _$25,000.00______$2,081.25______$2,482.50
    _$26,000.00______$2,231.25______$2,632.50
    _$27,000.00______$2,381.25______$2,782.50
    _$28,000.00______$2,531.25______$2,932.50
    _$29,000.00______$2,681.25______$3,082.50
    _$30,000.00______$2,831.25______$3,232.50
    _$31,000.00______$2,981.25______$3,382.50
    _$32,000.00______$3,131.25______$3,532.50
    _$33,000.00______$3,281.25______$3,682.50
    _$34,000.00______$3,431.25______$3,832.50
    _$35,000.00______$3,581.25______$3,982.50
    _$36,000.00______$3,731.25______$4,132.50
    _$37,000.00______$3,881.25______$4,282.50
    _$38,000.00______$4,031.25______$4,432.50
    _$39,000.00______$4,181.25______$4,582.50
    _$40,000.00______$4,331.25______$4,732.50
    _$41,000.00______$4,481.25______$4,882.50
    _$42,000.00______$4,731.25______$4,762.50
    _$43,000.00______$4,981.25______$5,042.50
    _$44,000.00______$5,231.25______$5,322.50
    _$45,000.00______$5,481.25______$5,602.50
    _$46,000.00______$5,731.25______$5,882.50
    _$47,000.00______$5,981.25______$6,162.50
    _$48,000.00______$6,231.25______$6,442.50
    _$49,000.00______$6,481.25______$6,722.50
    _$50,000.00______$6,731.25______$7,002.50
    _$51,000.00______$6,981.25______$7,282.50
    _$52,000.00______$7,231.25______$7,562.50
    _$53,000.00______$7,481.25______$7,842.50
    _$54,000.00______$7,731.25______$8,122.50
    _$55,000.00______$7,981.25______$8,402.50
    _$56,000.00______$8,231.25______$8,682.50
    _$57,000.00______$8,481.25______$8,962.50
    _$58,000.00______$8,731.25______$9,242.50
    _$59,000.00______$8,981.25______$9,522.50
    _$60,000.00______$9,231.25______$9,802.50
    _$61,000.00______$9,481.25_____$10,082.50
    _$62,000.00______$9,731.25_____$10,362.50
    _$63,000.00______$9,981.25_____$10,642.50
    _$64,000.00_____$10,231.25_____$10,922.50
    _$65,000.00_____$10,481.25_____$11,202.50
    _$66,000.00_____$10,731.25_____$11,482.50
    _$67,000.00_____$10,981.25_____$11,762.50
    _$68,000.00_____$11,231.25_____$12,042.50
    _$69,000.00_____$11,481.25_____$12,322.50
    _$70,000.00_____$11,731.25_____$12,602.50
    _$71,000.00_____$11,981.25_____$12,882.50
    _$72,000.00_____$12,231.25_____$13,162.50
    _$73,000.00_____$12,481.25_____$13,442.50
    _$74,000.00_____$12,731.25_____$13,722.50
    _$75,000.00_____$12,981.25_____$14,002.50
    _$76,000.00_____$13,231.25_____$14,282.50
    _$77,000.00_____$13,481.25_____$14,562.50
    _$78,000.00_____$13,731.25_____$14,842.50
    _$79,000.00_____$13,981.25_____$15,122.50
    _$80,000.00_____$14,231.25_____$15,402.50
    _$81,000.00_____$14,481.25_____$15,682.50
    _$82,000.00_____$14,731.25_____$15,962.50
    _$83,000.00_____$14,981.25_____$16,242.50
    _$84,000.00_____$15,231.25_____$16,522.50
    _$85,000.00_____$15,481.25_____$16,802.50
    _$86,000.00_____$15,731.25_____$17,082.50
    _$87,000.00_____$15,981.25_____$17,362.50
    _$88,000.00_____$16,252.25_____$18,063.50
    _$89,000.00_____$16,532.25_____$18,373.50
    _$90,000.00_____$16,812.25_____$18,683.50
    _$91,000.00_____$17,092.25_____$18,993.50
    _$92,000.00_____$17,372.25_____$19,303.50
    _$93,000.00_____$17,652.25_____$19,613.50
    _$94,000.00_____$17,932.25_____$19,923.50
    _$95,000.00_____$18,212.25_____$20,233.50
    _$96,000.00_____$18,492.25_____$20,543.50
    _$97,000.00______$18,772.25______$20,853.50
    _$98,000.00______$19,052.25______$21,163.50
    _$99,000.00______$19,332.25______$21,473.50
    $100,000.00______$19,612.25______$21,783.50

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    I have only heard talk, no specific plan by Obama.
    So you have no specific amount of money you will have to pay under Obama.

    Now for oil prices, any notable increase in world supply will decrease the prices. ANWR and the outer contental shelves are each notable.
    How notable will the decrease be at the pump?

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    So you have no specific amount of money you will have to pay under Obama.

    How notable will the decrease be at the pump?
    I'm not going to put the time in to try to figure a rough guess out.

    Consider this however. If USA companies tap on USA soil, wouldn't we not only benifit from almost no decrease to a big increase at the pump prices, but from the US wages and billions of extra taxes collected on the USA oil profits?

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    I'm not going to put the time in to try to figure a rough guess out.
    it's funny that it's such a huge talking point but no one can come up with a number.

    Consider this however. If USA companies tap on USA soil, wouldn't we not only benifit from almost no decrease to a big increase at the pump prices, but from the US wages and billions of extra taxes collected on the USA oil profits?
    That's assuming USA companies get the leases.

    I'm not saying there definitely won't any benefit from drilling, I'm just curious why no one who could do this kind of thing has bothered to put a number to it.

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    I always wondered who those 17% were...never met one until now.
    The ones that keep the country moving.

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    I keep the country moving by doing my part.

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    I get a kick out of the average joe jackholes getting rabid defending people making more money than they'll ever see.

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    I have friends and family so I'm already rich. For me, life has never been and never will be about the Benjamins.

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    The ones that keep the country moving.
    Yeah, all of the Republicans, Democrats, Independents, etc. who make up the 83% who think the U.S. is headed in the wrong direction are all sitting at home, rocking back in forth in despair while you and Murphy keep this county from grinding to a halt.

    You're so ing re ed.

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    I am so ing sick and tired of hearing rich people about taxes.

    Come the on....

    Oh yeah, youre struggling paying $13k in taxes (how much does one have to make in a given year to pay that much?). So are your kids too, right? My family is set for generations, regardless of some meaningless income tax changes. Now, if you wanted to discuss tax-code changes to inheritance, death, up the maximum monetary givings to some figure more than $10k, capital gains, etc, Im all ears.

    But income tax?! Income tax?! First, there shouldnt even be an income tax, period. For anyone.....ever.

    (edited: nevermind)

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