***Official UFC 88 Fight Thread***

[Evan]

Well BJ is never in shape for a fight so his losses were probably more on that than anything else. Chuck changing camps i don't think will matter. He is just not as dominant as he once was. He is pushing 40 years old and his timing and reflexes are just a little slower than they once were. That is all it takes at this level of the game. He is not the same guy that dessimated o in grand KO fashion in RD 2 of their first fight. The guy that destroyed Randy, with viscious strikes in their last 2 fights. It's funny the run he was on, Chuck was on his way to going down as the best 205 pd fighter ever. But losing to Jackson again, then Jardine and now Rashad, his legacy has been taken down a peg. No question about it.

You're right but I guess I am just trying to say that he need to mix it up.

[djohn14]

Chuck has lost his mojo. I honestly dont know if he still has a passion for fighting anymore, and why should he? Hes accomplished a whole lot in a growing sport, I just dont know. Chuck isnt what he was before, thats for sure. I just can see his game diminishing this much over one year. Its possible, Matt Hughes lost it that fast, I just think this is a different Chuck.

[desflood]

My favorite quote of the night came from Goldy for once, instead of Rogan:

(talking about Hendo's stance) "That right hand never moves... unless he throws it."

[Evan]

My favorite quote of the night came from Goldy for once, instead of Rogan:

(talking about Hendo's stance) "That right hand never moves... unless he throws it."

oh gawd....

I love Rogan but Goldie just sucks....I wish Kenny Rice would replace him.

[djohn14]

oh gawd....

I love Rogan but Goldie just sucks....I wish Kenny Rice would replace him.

I wish anyone would replace him....anyone. Id even take the idiot from Elite XC.

[Evan]

I wish anyone would replace him....anyone. Id even take the idiot from Elite XC.

you would tire of that moron within 2 shows.

[angelbelow]

now i see why everyone wanted to watch kim fight.

[oligarchy]

you would tire of that moron within 2 shows.

Mauro? He didn't seem as bad in Pride.

I'd actually like a combination of Quadros and Mir (Couture is actually a great commentator too).

[oligarchy]

now i see why everyone wanted to watch kim fight.

Kim was actually fairly unimpressive. He gassed too early trying to work the back. Although the decision was correct for the scoring rules, it wasn't his fight. That's the problem with using boxing rules to judge MMA fights, you aren't scoring the whole fight. While it was clear, at least to me, that Kim won the first round and the second round was clearly Brown, the third round was ultimately decided in the last minute. The problem with this is that Kim didn't do much work in the 2nd at all, and the third was only at the end. That cut, I believe, was the deciding factor. If we were watching this in Pride, I'd have to say that Matt Brown would have won.

[dallaskd]

I really dont know what to say about this.

Nate is a Beast.
Brown won.
Hendo is still a warrior.
Evans...wtf?
Franklin is a stud.

[dallaskd]

MacDonald and Timmayy looked good as well. The Evans KO was badass i just dont really have any comments on this card.

[Evan]

Mauro? He didn't seem as bad in Pride.

I'd actually like a combination of Quadros and Mir (Couture is actually a great commentator too).

I think he was ok for pride but since then he become a barking hyperbole. But his old partner Bas has gotten much better which he has indirectly accredited to being sober.

Quadros and Mir sounds interesting but he (Quadros) doesn't seem to do much commentating anymore…wonder why. I think he even stopped doing his podcast.

And yeah Couture is great which is why I was so frustrated in his return press conference nobody asked if he was doing another personal services contract. The only knock on him is his low voice but when he projects it he's spot on.

[ATRAIN]

polandprzem called it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only person to call it!

Are you sure about that, I called it first go to page 2.

[ATRAIN]

Rashad? Im not counting him out by any means, but why?...how KO, Sub, Dec?

I just think we are witnessing the decline of Liddell. I think Rashad will win by decision or KO. Chuck throws his hands down too much and if he gets caught by Rashad it will be Rampage revisited.

Again Chuck gets caught because he doesnt know how to keep his hands up. Thats boxing 101, and I know it was a sucking part of training. I hated it but they push that on you EVERYTIME your in the ring.

[Evan]

dang it

[ATRAIN]

dang it

LOL thanks for giving my credit to someone else. I even called how it was going to happen!!

[LEONARD]

Still can't believe that KO...viscious...

Glad to see Rich and Dan get wins. Palhares and Hamill still have bright futures in the sport.

F'n Marquardt...dirty bas ...Kampman will be great at 170 lbs. He just needed a good beating to make the change...

Kim better learn to not blow his wad in the 1st rd.

Rashad is going to get his ass kicked so bad but this match up was logical and he deserved a big fight.

I had to...

Well Quinton also won the battle against Chuck with one shot and it was bit controversial that ref stopped the fight then. I haven't heard any complains only because rampage was already considered top LHW through years.

Not controversial at all...Chuck was out cold and was revived by the next punch just as Big John was stepping in. Perfect stoppage really...

Ahem.

But what was up with the Rashad/nipple thing? I had problems with the guy already...

That was just weird.

Turning up da riddum...

Well BJ is never in shape for a fight

Wha?

My favorite quote of the night came from Goldy for once, instead of Rogan:

(talking about Hendo's stance) "That right hand never moves... unless he throws it."

Kim was actually fairly unimpressive. He gassed too early trying to work the back. Although the decision was correct for the scoring rules, it wasn't his fight. That's the problem with using boxing rules to judge MMA fights, you aren't scoring the whole fight. While it was clear, at least to me, that Kim won the first round and the second round was clearly Brown, the third round was ultimately decided in the last minute. The problem with this is that Kim didn't do much work in the 2nd at all, and the third was only at the end. That cut, I believe, was the deciding factor. If we were watching this in Pride, I'd have to say that Matt Brown would have won.

although Pride did factor in physical damage as a large part of the scoring. It was a close fight under any rules.

I had Kim taking the 1st and 3rd...the last 1:30 on top and the big cut left an impression on the judges. He saved just enough energy to pull it out after blowing his wad hanging on Brown's back in the 1st...

[Evan]

...bas ...

[dbreiden83080]

Wha?

You wanna debate me on this point by all means, i'm ready

[ATRAIN]

Its official...Rashad gets the next le shot against Griffin. I'd like to say that Griffin will dismantle him but who knows.

And assuming Lyoto wins his next fight you would think he gets the winner.



Chuck just left him self wide open right in front of Rashad.....

Where do you guys find these gifs?

[dbreiden83080]

Rashad's reaction after the KO was weird. He did not really celebrate and nobody in his camp even came into the ring and celebrated. Was he genuinely worried about Chuck, after he KO'd him??

[Evan]

www.bloodyelbow.com for gifs.

There is a site that only does gifs but I can't remember it. How it hasn't been shut down is beyond me so zuffa must allow it since its sort of free advertising.

[dbreiden83080]

Having seen the fight back a few times over one thing about Chuck i see other than his reflexes being not as sharp as they once were is he has become very one dimensional with his striking. Chuck has great kicks, and kickboxing experience and while he never really over-used them, he didn't used to basically ignore his kicks either. His style is that now he basically just hangs that left out there to give you something to look at, with his right hand ed back, looking to land that huge over-hand right. He doesn't even throw a left jab with any kind of authority anymore. Jardine took advanatage of Chuck just head-hunting. He leg-kicked Chuck to death while Chuck was just looking for that one punch bomb. He was wide open to kicks in the Silva fight but Wandy got himself drawn into a punching match with Chuck and did not take advantage. Chuck's skills have diminshed and his game-plans now suck, in my opinion.

[Evan]

dbreiden83080 you could take some of your posts for the last two days..brush it up and a bit and submit it to Kori as a guest blog.

[dbreiden83080]

dbreiden83080 you could take some of your posts for the last two days..brush it up and a bit and submit it to Kori as a guest blog.

I'm going to give her something soon on the whole Randy and Brock fight, what it would mean for the UFC to have either guy win. I am getting my thoughts together on that or something to do with GSP, who i can't say enough about.