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    I don't want a permanent welfare society that is dependent upon en lements, but there DOES need to be a social safety net for hard-working people that play by the rules and occasionally run into cir stances beyond their control. Just because somebody else once scammed the system for a few middling benefits doesn't mean I should be cut off from temporary unemployment benefits. And no, soup kitchens and private church charities shouldn't be the lone source of a safety net.
    Right, and you want the folks that have "made it" to flip the bill.

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    And I know some construction guys who don't make near that money.
    That's because the work isn't there or their prices have been cut for companies to afford paying 20-30 hours of OT. , being able to afford to pay my guys 1-10 hours of OT is a fantasy right now.

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    The more people make the higher they live which is fine by me. I just don't get it when people who make way more than I do get bailed out of their mortgage and I'm working my ass to pay my mortgage because I wasn't stupid enough to fall for the adjustable mortgage.
    just wait for the big three. lehman brothers on the horizon. and the airline industry. government government government
    let the market decide what we want. put up that teat!

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    That's because the work isn't there or their prices have been cut for companies to afford paying 20-30 hours of OT. , being able to afford to pay my guys 1-10 hours of OT is a fantasy right now.
    What type of construction are you in?

    I just finished a job that was working 6 12's.

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    jobs, education, heath care


    None of these things are guaranteed by the Cons ution or our Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, many Americans think they are (or should be).
    No, they are not. The cons ution was also written nearly 300 years ago by privileged white slave-owners in an agrarian economy. I'm not saying chuck the bill of rights or the cons ution, but people DO want their government to manage the country in such a way that those things are not out of reach for them if they work hard. I'm not asking government to do things for me than I can't do for myself. What I am asking the government to do is not invade countries that don't want war with us and didn't attack us, and maintain basic things like bridges and levees. I want competence from my government, and the Republicans have failed in just about every way imaginable.

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    I recognize that not every Obama supporter is a welfare recipient. What I don't recognize is why every Obama supporter feels that the wealthy should flip a majority of the bill for actual welfare recipients?

    A while back I saw a poll on some website that like 10,000 people responded to. The question was "how do you think millionaires made their fortunes". 96% of the respondants said through inheritence. That means that 96% of the responders on this poll have no ing clue about economics, life, or hard ing work, which is what in my opinion it takes to be rich.

    I'm not subs uting either. I'm stating my belief, that if you work ing hard, you too can eventually be raped by Obama and company.
    that is truly ignorant. 80% of millionaires are 1st generation. Most of the people who inherit their first real money blow it within 5 years.

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    No, they are not. The cons ution was also written nearly 300 years ago by privileged white slave-owners in an agrarian economy. I'm not saying chuck the bill of rights or the cons ution, but people DO want their government to manage the country in such a way that those things are not out of reach for them if they work hard. I'm not asking government to do things for me than I can't do for myself. What I am asking the government to do is not invade countries that don't want war with us and didn't attack us, and maintain basic things like bridges and levees. I want competence from my government, and the Republicans have failed in just about every way imaginable.
    So Kosovo and Iraq were both terrible ideas to you.

    Why do you support mass murder?

    How did the repubs break those levees?

    How did repubs ruin the bridge in Minnesota?

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    What type of construction are you in?

    I just finished a job that was working 6 12's.

    Rezzy, but you have to realize that the economy around here has been in the ter a lot longer than the rest of the country. Almost everyone I know in construction has had to leave the state to find work in the last 12 months

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    Rezzy, but you have to realize that the economy around here has been in the ter a lot longer than the rest of the country. Almost everyone I know in construction has had to leave the state to find work in the last 12 months
    I don't doubt that. I talked to a buddy of mine in Colorado who does Res. as well. He's been laying folks off for the past 6 months.

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    Why not have that reduced rate up to 150k? Or 200k?


    How much money is too much money? Evidently, to you it is arbitrarily at 50k.
    I choose 50k because in the vast majority of places in this country, that is a solid livable wage for an average family. Obviously I'm not an expert so those numbers are fairly arbitrary in terms of gut instinct, etc.

    If you want to get technical, I'd say you go with federal poverty line for a "typical" family for no payroll tax, and some multiplier (I tend to like 4, just because) for the reduced rate.

    The point was, that sort of premise addresses several problems we have: low wages for workers, and income differential between peon, management, and executive.

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    and the Republicans have failed in just about every way imaginable.
    a majority of dems "ran" fannie mae and freddie mac.

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    Rezzy, but you have to realize that the economy around here has been in the ter a lot longer than the rest of the country. Almost everyone I know in construction has had to leave the state to find work in the last 12 months
    commerical construction is freakin booming in SA. Well, at least is was a few months back when I followed it.

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    Here we go again. I've posted on this subject on so many boards and went round and round with Yonivore on this. My belief is MY belief and I cannot force my views upon a woman. I would never approve of my daughter's wanting an abortion. I would choose life but I'm not and never will be a woman who has to make that decision.
    I'm sure this won't be the last time I'm asked that question and not the last time that someone doesn't understand, and I understand that.
    Thanks

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    I don't doubt that. I talked to a buddy of mine in Colorado who does Res. as well. He's been laying folks off for the past 6 months.
    Yeah, an electrician I know had 50 employees not less than two years ago. He's down to 6 right now and talking about closing up shop.

    We had 60 and are now down to 18. Just trying to keep our heads above water at the moment.

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    So Kosovo and Iraq were both terrible ideas to you.
    yes

    Why do you support mass murder?
    No, which is why I didn't support either war. I got news for you: Saddam's brutality isn't enough of a reason to invade a country. You feel differently, we've got about 80 countries to invade for poor human rights records.

    How did the repubs break those levees?
    Did my eyes deceive me or did New Orleans drown while Bush fiddled his guitar and pronounced the head of FEMA to be doing a heckuva job?

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    I know those guys too, and if they'd just open their ears and eyes a little to the opportunities around them they'd realize just how well they could do.

    Building homes and commercial buildings ain't compared to industrial work. On the last job I was on the rigging foreman grossed about three times more then I did when all was said and done. Sure I get to sit in an office, but that dude had it pretty good as well.
    And that is why homes cost so damn much these days. It is hard for couples to buy a home when they start in the $100's. And for me it never has been about the benjamins. I know I could be making much more cash but that is not all that I live for. IMO, the all mighty dollar has corrupted minds and morals. I'm not saying people shouldn't want to become wealthy I just don't think it is THE thing to strive for.
    I've never judged success by the size of one's income.

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    a majority of dems "ran" fannie mae and freddie mac.

    US was essentially the reinsurer to those companies. Our government had a responsibility to bail them out, because that's what insurance is for.

    As far as those other industries, aint no insurance for those.

    this damn ponzi scheme that is the united states government will eventually catch-up with us.

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    commerical construction is freakin booming in SA. Well, at least is was a few months back when I followed it.
    damn, come to dallas. we're renting cranes and equipment from other states and countries to keep up. no signs of recession based on the skyline here. that may be a stupid thing to say, but it sure as doesn't look like it.

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    commerical construction is freakin booming in SA. Well, at least is was a few months back when I followed it.
    Not much to do around here when the local economy is tied to the automotive industry. It's a nice anchor.

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    US was essentially the reinsurer to those companies. Our government had a responsibility to bail them out, because that's what insurance is for.

    As far as those other industries, aint no insurance for those.

    this damn ponzi scheme that is the united states government will eventually catch-up with us.
    ponzi? kin to arthur fonzerelli?

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    And that is why homes cost so damn much these days. It is hard for couples to buy a home when they start in the $100's. And for me it never has been about the benjamins. I know I could be making much more cash but that is not all that I live for. IMO, the all mighty dollar has corrupted minds and morals. I'm not saying people shouldn't want to become wealthy I just don't think it is THE thing to strive for.
    I've never judged success by the size of one's income.
    freedom of choice. I tend to have your philosophy as far as money is concerned, but we don't have the right to legislate our beliefs on others.

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    ponzi? kin to arthur fonzerelli?
    ponzi or pyramid, whatever you want to call it. btw, did I misspell it?

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    Did my eyes deceive me or did New Orleans drown while Bush fiddled his guitar and pronounced the head of FEMA to be doing a heckuva job?

    Would you rather have had Bush and FEMA repairing the levees while the hurricane was hitting?

    Blaming NO on the Bush administration is like blaming Tony Romo for the entire loss against the Seahawks when he fumbled the snap. The whole team failed up to that point, you just needed someone you don't care for to pin it on.

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    Would you rather have had Bush and FEMA repairing the levees while the hurricane was hitting?

    Blaming NO on the Bush administration is like blaming Tony Romo for the entire loss against the Seahawks when he fumbled the snap. The whole team failed up to that point, you just needed someone you don't care for to pin it on.
    And if I lived in Louisiana, Kathleen Blanco and Ray Nagin wouldn't get my vote either. Bush deserves the blame for FEMA, Blanco and Nagin get the blame for the local response.

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