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[baseline bum]

You want evidence of a creator as you stated in a previous post, else you have no reason to believe.

I struggle (as many honest believers do) with this very question.

I actually have gone to one of Einstein's proclamations to help me think this is more than just wishful thinking, opiate, etc. etc...

That is that things ARE.

Einstein said, and it is widely understood that matter or energy can neither be created or destroyed. What is always has been, and always will be, in whatever form it takes at that moment.

Then, THAT begs the question; WHERE did it all come from? If it can't be created or destroyed, where did it come from in the first place?

Also watching NOVA this week; Einstein had his great revelation for E=MC2 by recognizing that "Light" (specifically the speed of it) was the key to everything - all existence; Going back to Genesis, right after forming the Heavens and the Earth God said "Let there be Light". Just a coincidence, I know, but an affirming one for one such as myself looking for reasons to believe, and not reasons not to.

Since all information is destroyed in a black hole, it's an unanswerable question to ask what happened before the Big Bang. Not a single piece of information could survive it, and hence anything from what we call before it can be nothing but conjecture. Of course, this is assuming there was a Big Bang.

I'd like to believe there is a God and an afterlife, but me simply wanting something to be true isn't enough for me to believe it is.

[101A]

I don't know. It must be God. But then where did God come from? D'OH.

The Great I Am

Always has been, always will be.

And, yes, I realize I'm discussing seriously while you are being, in you mind, intellectually superior. Meh.

[Creepn]

Who created God? God?

God came from God came from God came from God came from God.....

There must be an infinite number of Gods lol.

[baseline bum]

God came from God came from God came from God came from God.....

There must be an infinite number of Gods lol.

If God is infinite it's not a contradiction.

[101A]

Since all information is destroyed in a black hole,

It is my understanding that matter and energy are compressed in a black hole, not destroyed - eventually losing the mass via Hawking radiation.

[Creepn]

If God is infinite it's not a contradiction.

Well your saying that one God is infinite. Im saying maybe there is an infinite number of Gods?

Geez I just freakin confused myself. Thats what you get for being a human.

[Mr. Peabody]

The Great I Am

Always has been, always will be.

And, yes, I realize I'm discussing seriously while you are being, in you mind, intellectually superior. Meh.

I am taking this matter seriously as well. The difference is that you are attempting to paint your the first part of your argument in logic (e.g., If matter and energy cannot be created, then....), but then you resort to faith to help you reach your conclusion (e.g., "Well God has always existed...."). How can I argue against that? I can't.

[The Reckoning]

if you have a God that created time (scientifically, the weaving of time and space) there could not have been a before because that is a reference to a time proceeding a time. so you cannot say "who created God" because that is infering that time existed before God created it, which is illogical.

[Creepn]

hmm, true. Good point.

[101A]

I am taking this matter seriously as well. The difference is that you are attempting to paint your the first part of your argument in logic (e.g., If matter and energy cannot be created, then....), but then you resort to faith to help you reach your conclusion (e.g., "Well God has always existed...."). How can I argue against that? I can't.

The "Doh!" not withstanding?

Either of us has faith, don't we? You have faith that all of this stuff is just here, and has always been here. IT just is. Or you have to have faith that some natural force which we do not yet understand caused it to be here, and that natural force has a natural reason for existing, etc...

Isn't that a leap of faith in and of itself?

[baseline bum]

It is my understanding that matter and energy are compressed in a black hole, not destroyed - eventually losing the mass via Hawking radiation.

It has been a couple of years since I have read A Brief History of Time (I'm not a physicist, so don't ask me to read all the latest quantum mechanics and cosmology texts ), but I'm pretty sure Hawking was clear on his explanation that a black hole warps information so that it can never again be extracted out.

[101A]

It has been a couple of years since I have read A Brief History of Time (I'm not a physicist, so don't ask me to read all the latest quantum mechanics and cosmology texts ), but I'm pretty sure Hawking was clear on his explanation that a black hole warps information so that it can never again be extracted out.

I am CLEAN out of my element; and we are both citing Hawking.

Damn, and if I would have converted you, MY bible says I could adulterate and fornicate the rest of my life. Oh well, gonna work on Peabody some more. (convert him, and when I die I'm married to Heather Locklear in her prime)

[Mr. Peabody]

Damn, and if I would have converted you, MY bible says I could adulterate and fornicate the rest of my life. Oh well, gonna work on Peabody some more. (convert him, and when I die I'm married to Heather Locklear in her prime)

If I had your Bible, I'd probably be as devout as anybody. , I may have been a monk!

[baseline bum]

My bible already allows me those priveledges

[The Reckoning]

If I had your Bible, I'd probably be as devout as anybody. , I may have been a monk!

monks are actually some of the most enlightening men i have known. i studied at a Benedictine monestary for two years, and its incredible how logical they are on religious and even non religious matters. they've gotten over the urge to cling to material goods and have sex because one day our goods will be no more and our s will decompose and fall off. sex and pleasure are whats most on a persons mind during the course of a day. imagine if you were able to dispel thoughts of pleasure and use your brain for logic and contemplation. you would get a of a lot more done, thats for sure.

[baseline bum]

monks are actually some of the most enlightening men i have known. i studied at a Benedictine monestary for two years, and its incredible how logical they are on religious and even non religious matters. they've gotten over the urge to cling to material goods and have sex because one day our goods will be no more and our s will decompose and fall off. sex and pleasure are whats most on a persons mind during the course of a day. imagine if you were able to dispel thoughts of pleasure and use your brain for logic and contemplation. you would get a of a lot more done, thats for sure.

I think it's crazy to want to suppress pleasure.

[The Reckoning]

I think it's crazy to want to suppress pleasure.

the definition of crazy is an attempt to perform an act over and over again in hope of procreating a different result. the truth is...an orgasm is an orgasm -- and nothing more. you will always have the same orgasm. theres nothing beyond it.

[Mr. Dictionary]

Main Entry: 1cra·zy
Pronunciation: \ˈkrā-zē\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): cra·zi·er; cra·zi·est
Date: 1566
1 a: full of cracks or flaws : unsound <they were very crazy, wretched cabins — Charles ens> b: crooked , askew
2 a: mad , insane <yelling like a crazy man> b (1): impractical <a crazy plan> (2): erratic <crazy drivers> c: being out of the ordinary : unusual <a taste for crazy hats>
3 a: distracted with desire or excitement <a thrill-crazy mob> b: absurdly fond : infatuated <he's crazy about the girl> c: passionately preoccupied : obsessed <crazy about boats>
— cra·zi·ly \-zə-lē\ adverb
— cra·zi·ness \-zē-nəs\ noun
— like crazy : to an extreme degree <everyone dancing like crazy>

[101A]

you will always have the same orgasm. theres nothing beyond it.

Always, you mean like, right now, and forever more?

Can you show me how to do this? I need to meet those monks.

[The Reckoning]

youre like the mouse stepping on the lever over and over again so you can have the pleasure sector of your brain stimulated. the mouse would rather perform a stupid act to have the same pleasurable experience than even eat.

[101A]

youre like the mouse stepping on the lever over and over again so you can have the pleasure sector of your brain stimulated

And you are a pompous ass.

That "pleasure sector" is a gift from God. I experience it with my wife, as we are bound in God.

Oh, and, of course.

you.

[The Reckoning]

i never said marriage was a bad thing. the bond between a man and wife is holy because it promotes spiritual growth. i wasnt directly offending you...i was just referring to a do ented psychological experiment

[The Reckoning]

lol and im done with the discussion. you is a bit too critical.

[Mr. Peabody]

Oh, and, of course.

you.

[baseline bum]

Anyone who tries to tell me busting a nut with a hot chick is overrated immediately loses all credibility.