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+1. It's just sad that he keeps not thinking about what he says, or how it's going to affect his team. Now the other guys on the Mavericks have some more stupid bull to have to answer questions about when they should be getting ready for the season.
4 minutes of pure ignorance
+1. It's just sad that he keeps not thinking about what he says, or how it's going to affect his team. Now the other guys on the Mavericks have some more stupid bull to have to answer questions about when they should be getting ready for the season.
this is why rc did not pick josh howard to be a spur
It certainly makes not selecting him easier to accept.
1.) False
3.) Parental responsibility
Why can’t he make money and criticize the system which devastated his people? Rich black people aren’t allowed to protest because they are rich? That is some flat out bull . So if I’m a educated and informed person on this subject and also rich, I can’t critique the system? (I’m not calling Howard a scholar) The issue with his statements is the fact that he didn’t support his claims properly. "I'm black" isn't a sufficient explanation (in my opinion), but this is America, and apparently all people don't need sufficient explanations to say what they want.
I’m also trying to understand what present day Africa has to do with the descendants of Africans who were enslaved. So, the people who haven’t been enslaved by Americans deserve money/compensation? What the are you talking about? If anything he should give back to the people whom descended from those who were enslaved (although this isn’t his responsibility). The issue of Africa although unjust, has nothing to do with this exact portion of this issue.
The stupidest thing I've heard is that Josh shouldn't criticize this country on the grounds that he is rich. Sorry, but as freedarko eloquently put it, if he were angry before and isn't now, we'd call him a sellout. Money doesn't change people, it reveals them.
On another note, the whole "Parents should raise their kids, not Josh Howard" argument is true, but at the same time let's remember that Josh is the one that's positioned himself as someone for kids to look up to. He's the one holding basketball camps and softball games and participating in flag football games and so on.
IMO any "he's a role model to kids" criticism is well deserved because he is the one that has put himself out there as a role model.
A monkey can push a button that types out "false", but it is much more intelligent to explain why.
What is he protesting about? If he's rich and protesting the fact that slavery happened, that's obviously bull . You can't have money and protest slavery and say "I protest because I'm black". If it weren't for slavery, you wouldn't be rich as so give that back if you want to protest. It's like saying "I'm against abortion but I run an abortion clinic because it makes me Rich".Why can’t he make money and criticize the system which devastated his people? Rich black people aren’t allowed to protest because they are rich? That is some flat out bull . So if I’m a educated and informed person on this subject and also rich, I can’t critique the system? (I’m not calling Howard a scholar) The issue with his statements is the fact that he didn’t support his claims properly. "I'm black" isn't a sufficient explanation (in my opinion), but this is America, and apparently all people don't need sufficient explanations to say what they want.
I have no problem with people who protest slavery, but if you be protesting slavery, don't be enjoying the advantages that being a 3rd generation american black man gives you. If Josh Howard's ancestors were never kidnapped to America, he'd be hanging around somewhere in the African desert instead of rolling with millions in his pockets.
How the do you know what Josh Howard is protesting about in the first place? That dumb only said because "He was black". I said IF he is protesting slavery then YES, modern day Africa would be relevant because he would be living there. Why would he give back to the descendants of the original slaves...he ain't related to them. You think Josh Howard would even consider giving away his money to anybody? No that dude is living a baller lifeWhat the are you talking about? If anything he should give back to the people whom descended from those who were enslaved (although this isn’t his responsibility). The issue of Africa although unjust, has nothing to do with this exact portion of this issue.
I don't know what the he meant when he said "Cuz I'm black", that is why I posed it as a QUESTION.
Last edited by Allanon; 09-18-2008 at 05:11 PM.
You do know that slavery is far from the most recent example of gross injustice towards black people (or any minority for that matter) in this country? Not that Josh Howard was personally affected by any of it, but most definitely his grandmother (who he was really close to) was.
TRUE that.
Your analogy is because Howard isn't using slavery directly make him a rich man. Excuse me, I must go laugh now
There are plenty of injustices, let's hear them. Perhaps Josh Howard can explain? I don't know one way or the other because all he said was "Cuz I'm black".
Saying "I don't do that cuz I'm black" doesn't cut it. How come he didn't say "I don't do that cuz I don't want to". Because this idiot said "cuz I'm black". My mom's black and she sings the Star Spangled banner with pride, why is Josh Howard trying to speak for her too?
"Cuz I'm black"... in' ignorant .
So before you go off laughing, tell us what Howard meant by "Cuz I'm black"?Your analogy is because Howard isn't using slavery directly make him a rich man. Excuse me, I must go laugh now
As for the analogy, you're saying if there was no slavery, Josh Howard would still be a rich basketball player in the USA? He would just magically get transported from Africa to the USA?
Josh Howard has undoubtedly suffered because he is black. The fact that he signed a big contract when he made it to the NBA doesn't change that. Any person who grew up black in the country has suffered at some point because of the color of their skin. Josh Howard hasn't suffered from slavery or Jim Crow, but he HAS suffered from ins utional racism at some point in his life. Black men are far more likely to be imprisoned, unemployed, to die of a violent crime, or die of disease. None of those things have happened to Howard, but it is simply false to say that because he is a rich black person NOW that he hasn't had to contend with racism at some point in his life. As has been said, it's not surprising that blacks might feel some hostility towards the United States or might not buy into the July 4th and Mom's Apple Pie ethos that others may feel towards the flag and the national anthem.
Ok, let's say he's had racism in his life and I'm sure he has.
What does racism have to do with the Star Spangled Banner? That's not the KKK chant, this is the United States Anthem which he is a citizen of as are most black people living in the US. Is he saying he is against America cuz he's black? If he is, that's even more wrong for including "Cuz I'm black" because most black people feel they are US citizens. Team USA (basketball) was entirely black, and I have never seen a prouder group stand up there when the anthem was playing.
And you have good opinions, we're just talking here cuz I'd like to know.
The person, Josh Howard, set back is himself. If another black person presents themselves as ignorant it is possible they may be set back. But, your use of a universal isn't true. One black person does not represent all black people.
[QUOTE=Allanon;2776737]So before you go off laughing, tell us what Howard meant by "Cuz I'm black"?
As for the analogy, you're saying if there was no slavery, Josh Howard would still be a rich basketball player in the USA? He would just magically get transported from Africa to the USA?[/QUOTE]
How I am to know what Howard meant? That's apart of my explanation. I'm not sure if you are following me sir. I did not say Howard would still be rich, nor did I say he would still be an American, maybe you should go look and see what i'm debating.
I think what racism has to do with the anthem is kind of in line with what Mic e Obama once said about how she was "proud" of the United States for the first time in her life. Knowing that your ancestors were slaves, your parents and grandparents were under the heel of Jim Crow, and you at some point in your life have had the n-word thrown in your face or gone to a school that was falling apart and didn't have new textbooks like the nice, suburban white school, I think that explains the lack of reverence for the flag and the anthem. I should also point out that this was at a flag football game and everybody was goofing of and clowning around for the camera. I'm pretty sure if the guy decided to give an interview, his tone and remarks would be a lot less jovial in making the same point.
He said he's "black". If Brad Miller says he hates Blacks "cuz I'm white" don't you think he's implying that it's a racial thing? If JHo said "I don't do that cuz I don't want to", then he would have been fine. Because he said "I'm black", he's implying that black people don't do the Star Spangled banner. THAT was the ignorant part, you want to disrespect the anthem, go ahead but don't bring your race into it.
Neither you nor I know what he meant other than he said "Cuz I'm black". I brought up slavery as one possibility and I defended that possibility. Josh Howard is a rich man today because his ancestors were slaves. You were saying slavery was not directly responsible for him being rich, and I say it is. "Howard isn't using slavery directly make him a rich man".
It doesn’t matter what he implies about the black people of America, he is only one black man. All black people do not interact with Josh Howard and agree with his concepts. Any person who thinks he represents all black people is an idiot.
Josh Howard did not use the ins ution of slavery to directly benefit himself financially. Running an abortion clinic directly benefits the abortion clinic runner from abortion. See the difference?
Growing up I was black as l, I didn't lighten up until later on in high school so I know the racism targetted at blacks. But at the same time, for every 1 N...word thrown at me, there were 10 other nice white people helping me out. I don't hate white people, I hate racists.
Josh Howard today is a rich American citizen, he isn't enslaved, he isn't poor and I'm sure he's had his fair share of white booty. He's enjoying the benefits of what America has provided and what the anthem represents.
But I agree, if it was on the down low, then he can say whatever he wants. If he knew it would be public, he wouldn't have said it. He just got caught saying something really ignorant and now that's gonna cost him. That's the dumbass part.
When one black person in a public position says something racial, it represents his race. The world is not black and white where what person A says does not affect person B.
Back in the earlier racial days, if 1 black man raped a white woman, you'd hear of other black people getting beat up because of what that 1 black man did.
Just like Obama, he is only 1 black man and an American. But he represents the black race, if he screws it up, you won't see another black man in office for 50 years.
One man can cause an entire race to be labeled.
Josh Howard is not directly using slavery because if he was still a slave, he wouldn't be a rich ass dude. But, he is using the benefits which slavery ultimately provided...a chance to make it rich in America. He would never have been in America in the first place if it weren't for slavery.Josh Howard did not use the ins ution of slavery to directly benefit himself financially. Running an abortion clinic directly benefits the abortion clinic runner from abortion. See the difference?
Oh ing , what kind of convoluted nebulous ass soapbox are you yelling from? Do you even know at this point?
I just wish it was a swim meet and Josh said "I don't do no swimmin cuz I'm black", nobody would give a about any of this.
Obama does not represent the black race. Are there black republicans? There certainly are, they were on C-Span about a month ago. Also, I know some black republicans. White republicans who know these black republicans do not associate them with Obama. They are aligned with them.
Josh Howard was born into this system, he didn’t have a choice. Aside from that, apart of this system is to critique it anyways. Howard living here period lets him benefit off the system without his choice, especially as a child. If he has no choice, why not benefit the most he possibly can against a system that has historically oppressed his people?
If he were to leave and go to Africa, most likely he doesn't speak the language, and most likely knows no one. He would be as much as a standout as other people aside from his skin color. He's African in regards to his skin color, but that's it. If a white Russian who is british in regards to nationality who is historically Russian went to Russia and didn't speak Russian, or know any Russians, he wouldn't be a white Russian. It's like going on vacation, you just don't fit in.
As far as I understand it, the United States government was created by a bunch of guys who told the established authority to off. They wouldn't have detailed the freedom of speech in the very 1st amendment of the Cons ution if it wasn't extremely important to them, as well as a vital ingredient of a free country.
I don't think there's anything unpatriotic about disliking the national anthem, or not saying the Pledge, or about anything that Josh Howard said. In fact, based on the actions of the Founding Fathers, I'd say it's actually patriotic to question your government and any ins ution related to it. This is, after all, a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Not the other way around.
This whole Josh Howard thing is a complete non-issue to me. So is Findog's decision not to sing the national anthem.
I wonder how Gino would treat Findog if Findog was an army veteran.
If you don't think Obama represents the black people of America, I don't know what else to say.
There's nothing wrong with that. He took advantage of the benefits of the system...so why is he now dissing that same system? It worked rather great for him.Josh Howard was born into this system, he didn’t have a choice. Aside from that, apart of this system is to critique it anyways. Howard living here period lets him benefit off the system without his choice, especially as a child. If he has no choice, why not benefit the most he possibly can against a system that has historically oppressed his people?
Yes, he wouldn't fit in, he's not African except from the gene pool. He's black but he's also American. The Star Spangled banner represents America, it's not the white people anthem, it's the American anthem.If he were to leave and go to Africa, most likely he doesn't speak the language, and most likely knows no one. He would be as much as a standout as other people aside from his skin color. He's African in regards to his skin color, but that's it. If a white British person who is historically Russian went to Russia and didn't speak Russian, or know any Russians, he wouldn't be a white Russian. It's like going on vacation, you just don't fit in.
If he wants to diss his country's anthem, sure go ahead but don't say it's because he's black because that has nothing to do with it. Saying you don't sing the anthem makes you sound un-patriotic which is whatever, but saying it's because you're black is just ignorant.
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