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    The gas and oil companies are for alternative options?
    Only when their current record setting profits run out and/or they control the alternatives. Get real.

    Alternative forms have probably been available for years. Just squelched by pig oil. It's not a demoncrat or repug issue, both are lobbied by the oil pigs, both suck off the corporations.
    BINGO. That's why it needs to be us who force the issue.

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    Why so much emphasis on oil? We should be looking for alternative fuels NOW instead of wasting our time on oil.

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    "this country go broke paying $8 a gallon for gas."

    $8/gal or more would be the best thing to happen to USA. It would FORCE huge efficiencies in transport fuel, electric cars, alternative fuels, driving down oil consumption MUCH more that drilling more for oil would increase supply.

    Still haven't answered my questions about how much proven oil on/offshore and why aren't the oilcos already sucking it up?

    "drill, baby, drill" is just another lying Repug slogan without any basis.
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    Why so much emphasis on oil? We should be looking for alternative fuels NOW instead of wasting our time on oil.
    I would agree with you if alternate energy was ready to replace oil. It isn't. If we don't drill while we develop other sources, we will have some very expensive energy costs in a few years. We simply are not there yet to rely on alternative energy sources.

    I hope you liberals remember to blame the democrats when that happens if they manage to keep oil production stalled.

    Wind can help, but is intermittent.

    Solar power is nice but I don't think there is a payoff in it yet. By the time the costs pay for itself, the solar cells lifetime is up. I think they still only last about 10 years before they start to degrade notably.

    Hydrogen fuel cells in cars would be great. As far as I know, most of the design problems are solved. Still, it takes 44 kilo-watt-hours of power to make the equivalent of 1 gallon of gasoline. That power has to come from somewhere. Other methods of generating hydrogen with less energy are not green. In fact, rather nasty.

    Nuclear power is a good way to go, but will the liberals and green weenies ever let it happen?

    Hatter, what good ideas are out there? Of all the ideas that sound good, they simply have other problems.

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    Still haven't answered my questions about how much proven oil on/offshore and why aren't the oilcos already sucking it up?
    There are plenty of proven reserves out there. Why bother looking it up when the democrats wont let us go there. There are probably ten times as much oil out there waiting to be discovered too. What's the point of paying to look for it if we cannot dill it?
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 09-22-2008 at 03:10 PM. Reason: changed 'would' to 'wont'

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    The gas and oil companies are for alternative options?
    Only when their current record setting profits run out and/or they control the alternatives. Get real.

    Alternative forms have probably been available for years. Just squelched by pig oil. It's not a demoncrat or repug issue, both are lobbied by the oil pigs, both suck off the corporations.

    BINGO. That's why it needs to be us who force the issue.
    Yes, you libs and your forcing the issue is working out well. Just look at those record profits being pulled in by Exxon. That'll show 'em!

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    I wasn't talking about liberals you partisan hack. I was talking about us as Americans. You do know there's a limited supply of oil in the world right? I guess you couldn't give a as along as republicans win something.

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    Why so much emphasis on oil? We should be looking for alternative fuels NOW instead of wasting our time on oil.
    Corporations ARE looking for alternative fuels now. They haven't found any that can be brought to market in the mass scale necessary to replace oil.

    And even if they did, it would take decades to completely retool our infrastructure.

    Oil is a necessary evil until the alternatives can be brought to market. That's what is so stupid about you lib s. You don't want us to be dependent on oil, but there isn't a freakin' alternative to fill its void.

    And who gives a if oil companies aren't looking into alternative fuels as much as lib s want? There are billions of dollars to be made by anyone who comes up with a replacement to fossil fuels. There's a ton of research being done, and someone will come up with a solution.

    But until that, we need to make use of the resources available to our country to survive.

    You guys crack me up. The sad thing about the liberal ideology is you all think that when gasoline hits 7-8 bucks a gallon all of a sudden people will actually start researching alternative fuels.

    Newsflash: they already are, it's just no one's got a great solution yet.

    Quit ing up everyone's pocket books so you guys can save a few trees damnit.

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    I wasn't talking about liberals you partisan hack. I was talking about us as Americans. You do know there's a limited supply of oil in the world right? I guess you couldn't give a as along as republicans win something.
    I care about America first and foremost. That's the problem with you libs. That's the problem with this country today. is so partisan, it's all about winning and losing.

    The only people winning right now are in the Middle East who are selling us oil and the oil companies who are laughing at all the liberal ecobull that is helping to drive up the cost of oil and keep us from tapping our own resources.

    The day someone comes up with an alternative to fossil fuels, it will be shared with the world and we will all benefit. Until then, I'd rather not have the future of this country hinge on dictators in Venezuela, Russia, and the Middle East, wouldn't you?

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    Corporations ARE looking for alternative fuels now. They haven't found any that can be brought to market in the mass scale necessary to replace oil.

    And even if they did, it would take decades to completely retool our infrastructure.

    Oil is a necessary evil until the alternatives can be brought to market. That's what is so stupid about you lib s. You don't want us to be dependent on oil, but there isn't a freakin' alternative to fill its void.

    And who gives a if oil companies aren't looking into alternative fuels as much as lib s want? There are billions of dollars to be made by anyone who comes up with a replacement to fossil fuels. There's a ton of research being done, and someone will come up with a solution.

    But until that, we need to make use of the resources available to our country to survive.

    You guys crack me up. The sad thing about the liberal ideology is you all think that when gasoline hits 7-8 bucks a gallon all of a sudden people will actually start researching alternative fuels.

    Newsflash: they already are, it's just no one's got a great solution yet.

    Quit ing up everyone's pocket books so you guys can save a few trees damnit.
    awww isn't that nice. We're just trying to save a few trees. We have no vested interest in finding safe, renewable energy. We just want to stick it to the American people by charging them so much for gasoline. We just want to stick it to the oil companies for being so successful. Yeah...that's it.

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    I care about America first and foremost. That's the problem with you libs. That's the problem with this country today. is so partisan, it's all about winning and losing.

    The only people winning right now are in the Middle East who are selling us oil and the oil companies who are laughing at all the liberal ecobull that is helping to drive up the cost of oil and keep us from tapping our own resources.

    The day someone comes up with an alternative to fossil fuels, it will be shared with the world and we will all benefit. Until then, I'd rather not have the future of this country hinge on dictators in Venezuela, Russia, and the Middle East, wouldn't you?
    Wow. I guess we have to add "naive" to your list of attributes.

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    awww isn't that nice. We're just trying to save a few trees. We have no vested interest in finding safe, renewable energy. We just want to stick it to the American people by charging them so much for gasoline. We just want to stick it to the oil companies for being so successful. Yeah...that's it.
    I'd like to see alternative fuels as well. I'm sorry your reading comprehension sucks. Until I can go down to the corner station and fill up on natural gas, or some super secret new fuel that the libs are sitting on while telling us we can't drill, can't use nuclear, no new coal plants, etc. you look like just another liberal sheep that can't think for himself.

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    I'd like to see alternative fuels as well. I'm sorry your reading comprehension sucks. Until I can go down to the corner station and fill up on natural gas, or some super secret new fuel that the libs are sitting on while telling us we can't drill, can't use nuclear, no new coal plants, etc. you look like just another liberal sheep that can't think for himself.
    Haha I'm the sheep? That's rich. When did you start supporting natural gas? Was it before or after billionaire Boone Pickens came out with his snazzy TV commercial. Like I said before, solar and wind are already functional but continue to be UNDERUTILIZED. There's also bio-fuels and geothermal energy that have yet to be tapped.

    baaaaahhhhh baaaaaaahhhh

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    Yes, you libs and your forcing the issue is working out well. Just look at those record profits being pulled in by Exxon. That'll show 'em!
    Like it's strictly a repug - demoncrat issue. Turn off your Rush Limbah show and enter the real world.

    You said something about reading comprehension?
    Originally Posted by Fabbs (as well as Shastafarians post which said nothing about being able to bring down the oil pig mafia with some political plan.)

    The gas and oil companies are for alternative options?
    Only when their current record setting profits run out and/or they control the alternatives. Get real.

    Alternative forms have probably been available for years. Just squelched by pig oil. It's not a demoncrat or repug issue, both are lobbied by the oil pigs, both suck off the corporations.

    You honestly think the oil pigs and corps have been trying to implement alternative sources?

    baaaaahhhhh baaaaaaahhhh
    Well said Shastafarian.

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    The funny part is that the elite libs are doing what they are doing for completely different purposes than what their lib supporters are believing in.

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