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    From NBC's Cherelle Kantey
    Former Hillary Clinton campaign staffers charged Obama with being too inexperienced for the presidency, shifting their support to McCain, on a conference call sponsored by the McCain campaign Friday afternoon.

    "Obama really doesn't have the experience,” said Miguel Lausell, senior national political advisor to Hillary Clinton. “We don't know what he's going to be doing. We don't really know where he's coming from, and that's the big difference."

    Luchy Secaira, former Sen. Hillary Clinton Delegate-at-Large, said that
    stance on women’s issues is all talk and no action. Secaira said that Obama’s rhetoric on the Equal Pay Act is not backed up with hiring practices in his Senate office.

    "We need to look no further than Sen. Obama's own senate office, where it's been do ented that he pays women less on his staff than males on his staff,” said Secaira. “He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk."

    “The Hispanic community has nothing to fear, because they know John McCain,” Secaira added. “He has fought against his own party on behalf of the Hispanic community and was an integral part in trying to bring forth comprehensive immigration reform.”

    Lausell also expressed disappointment that Obama overlooked Clinton as a choice for a vice-presidential running mate, saying this decision was a deal breaker for Hispanic voters who wanted to see her on the ticket.

    “He didn't even contemplate Hillary Clinton for vice president,” Lausell said. “I don't really think he's committed to women's future and in terms of Hispanics, … he could have picked Bill Richardson who was fully qualified for the job. But you know, he forgot about him also. So you know, I don't think he takes Hispanics seriously.”

    While it's true that Clinton had widespread support from the Hispanic community during the primaries, Obama has held substantial leads over McCain with Hispanics -- greater than even what Kerry had over Bush in 2004 or Gore had in 2000.

    Nonetheless, Lausell added that he thought Obama’s candidacy would never measure up to Clinton's because of her proven track record on the issues that affect Hispanic-Americans.

    "I think that when you talk about Obama and Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton is the sky and Obama is the sea. And the sea will never reach the sky, you know,” Lausell said. “I'm sure he means well, but his word doesn't match his action. "

    The former campaign operatives also said they were outraged with Obama’s latest Spanish-language ad, “Dos Caras,” which linked McCain to Rush Limbaugh’s offensive remarks about the Hispanic community. Secaira said this type of ad contrasts Obama’s image of being an agent of change through unification.

    "I don't see anything new about put-down politics …This [ad] proves that he's not a uniter; he's a divider. Sen. Obama, along with the Democratic leadership, has divided the party. And this is his tactic. This is his M.O,” said Secaira. “Otro pero con ese hueso."

    Translation: “to another dog with that bone."

    Of course, political observers will likely see the former Clintons staffers objections as sour grapes -- they're upset because Clinton lost, and they're out of jobs though they're candidate was that close.

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    How Team Obama Pays Women
    Pay equity for thee, but not for me.

    By Deroy Murdock

    ‘Now is the time to keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day’s work,” Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said August 28 in his convention acceptance speech. He told the crowd in Denver: “I want my daughters to have exactly the same opportunities as your sons.”

    Obama’s campaign website is even more specific. Under the heading “Fighting for Pay Equity,” the women’s issues page laments that, “Despite decades of progress, women still make only 77 cents for every dollar a man makes. A recent study estimates it will take another 47 years for women to close the wage gap with men at Fortune 500 corporate offices. Barack Obama believes the government needs to take steps to better enforce the Equal Pay Act…”

    Obama’s commitment to federally mandated pay equity stretches from the Rockies to Wall Street and beyond. And yet it seems to have eluded his United States Senate office. Compensation figures for his legislative staff reveal that Obama pays women just 83 cents for every dollar his men make.

    A watchdog group called LegiStorm posts online the salaries for Capitol Hill staffers. “We have no political affiliations and no political purpose except to make the workings of Congress as transparent as possible,” its website explains. Parsing LegiStorm’s official data, gleaned from the Secretary of the Senate, offers a fascinating glimpse at pay equity in the World’s Greatest Deliberative Body.

    The most recent statistics are for the half-year from October 1, 2007 to March 31, 2008. Excluding interns focuses one’s attention on the full-time personnel. For someone who worked only until, say, last February 29, prorating their salary up to six months’ service simplifies the analysis, since we can then double the half-year amounts to figure the annual salary of Senate employees.

    Based on these calculations, Obama’s 28 male staffers divided among themselves total payroll expenditures of $1,523,120. Thus, Obama’s average male employee earned $54,397.

    Obama’s 30 female employees split $1,354,580 among themselves, or $45,152, on average.

    Why this disparity? One reason may be the underrepresentation of women among Obama’s highest-compensated employees. Of Obama’s five best-paid advisors, only one was a woman. Among his top 20, seven were women.

    On average, Obama’s female staffers earn just 83 cents for every dollar his male staffers make. This figure certainly exceeds the 77-cent threshold that Obama’s campaign website condemns. However, 83 cents do not equal $1. In spite of this 17-cent gap between Obama’s rhetoric and reality, he chose to chide GOP presidential contender John McCain on this issue.

    When Alaska governor Sarah Palin was named the Republican vice-presidential nominee, Obama told voters in Toledo, Ohio, on August 31 that “she’s opposed — like John McCain is — to equal pay for equal work. That doesn’t make much sense to me.”

    Obama’s criticism notwithstanding, McCain’s payment patterns are the stuff of feminist dreams.

    McCain’s 17 male staffers split $916,914, thus averaging $53,936. His 25 female employees divided $1,396,958 and averaged $55,878.

    On average, according to these data, women in John McCain’s office make $1.04 for every dollar a man makes. In fact, ceteris paribus, a typical female staffer could earn 21 cents more per dollar paid to her male counterpart — while adding $10,726 to her annual income — by leaving Barack Obama’s office and going to work for John McCain.

    How could this be?

    One explanation could be that women compose a majority of McCain’s highest-paid aides. Among his top-five best-compensated staffers, three are women. Of his 20-highest-salaried employees, 13 are women. The Republican presidential nominee relies on women — much more than men — for advice at the highest, and thus, best-paid levels. (For a detailed analysis of these figures, click here.)

    In short, these statistics suggest that John McCain is more than fair with his female employees, while Barack Obama — at the expense of the women who work for him — quietly perpetuates the very same pay-equity divide that he loudly denounces. Of all people, the Democratic standard bearer should understand that equal pay begins at home.

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    "In short, these statistics suggest that John McCain is more than fair with his female employees, while Barack Obama — at the expense of the women who work for him — quietly perpetuates the very same pay-equity divide that he loudly denounces. Of all people, the Democratic standard bearer should understand that equal pay begins at home."
    Come on people......these are just talking points for the liberals. Don't expect them to adhere to them!

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    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...1/1430406.aspx"We need to look no further than Sen. Obama's own senate office, where it's been do ented that he pays women less on his staff than males on his staff,” said Secaira. “He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk."

    Hmmm..doesn't he have an ad running saying that he believes women's pay should be equal to men's?

    He ends the spot by saying that he wants his "daughters to have the same rights as your sons!"

    Something like that anyway.


    edit: I just saw the other comments...but hey, I was onto something.

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    From NBC's Cherelle Kantey
    Former Hillary Clinton campaign staffers charged Obama with being too inexperienced for the presidency, shifting their support to McCain, on a conference call sponsored by the McCain campaign Friday afternoon.
    Because, I am sure such a call would present something in a truly unbiased fashion, and not exaggerate anything.

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    Because, I am sure such a call would present something in a truly unbiased fashion, and not exaggerate anything.
    Surely no money exchanged hands before those staffers made those comments.

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    Surely no money exchanged hands before those staffers made those comments.
    Off topic, but this post made me think about it, who is more likely to believe a conspiracy theory, lib or conservative?

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    Off topic, but this post made me think about it, who is more likely to believe a conspiracy theory, lib or conservative?
    More likely? Liberal, but not by much.

    Conspiracy nuts don't really have a left/right political orientation, from what I have seen.

    Ron Paul- s definitely have some features of both.

    I think the old left-right concept of political leanings is breaking down anyways.

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    Big freakin' deal. Whottt needs to get back on his drugs.

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    Luchy Secaira, former Sen. Hillary Clinton Delegate-at-Large, said that
    stance on women’s issues is all talk and no action. Secaira said that Obama’s rhetoric on the Equal Pay Act is not backed up with hiring practices in his Senate office.

    "We need to look no further than Sen. Obama's own senate office, where it's been do ented that he pays women less on his staff than males on his staff,” said Secaira. “He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk."


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    yes. clinton foundation is going down because of their gender wage gap

    THAT'S the one crime you're going to allege?

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    yes. clinton foundation is going down because of their gender wage gap

    THAT'S the one crime you're going to allege?
    Probably a civil crime; but never enforced. I never focused on a criminal angle; but if that's the distraction you need to sperm shield for your hero, go for it.

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    lol "civil crime"

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    Whott, R.I.P.

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    lol "civil crime"
    Are you under the illusion that breaking the federal equal pay law is not a civil crime?

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    Are you under the illusion that breaking the federal equal pay law is not a civil crime?
    Since civil offenses are not criminal by definition, lol.

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    Since civil offenses are not criminal by definition, lol.
    Jesus he’s so ing stupid

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    I am well aware of the difference between civil and criminal law. I misappropriated a term. I can live with that. My point still remains that Hillary violated the law, civilly. And my point remains that the enforcement of the law is pretty weak so that enablers and violators like Hillary can act without the fear of especially serious reprisals.

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    I am well aware of the difference between civil and criminal law.
    Well, now you do.
    I misappropriated a term. I can live with that. My point still remains that Hillary violated the law, civilly.
    Oh? Does everyone do the same job there? Do VPs get the same pay as CEOs by law?
    And my point remains that the enforcement of the law is pretty weak so that enablers and violators like Hillary can act without the fear of especially serious reprisals.
    You're a champion of equal pay for women when it jibes with your political bias.

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    Well, now you do.Oh? Does everyone do the same job there? Do VPs get the same pay as CEOs by law? You're a champion of equal pay for women when it jibes with your political bias.
    I am not a champion equal pay for women. Hillary is. She's also a champion of women breaking through the glass ceilings. I know all this irony is not lost on you.

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    I am not a champion equal pay for women.
    Then why are you complaining about a pay gap anywhere?


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    Then why are you complaining about a pay gap anywhere?

    Why am I noting Hillary's utter hypocrisy? I think that question answers itself.

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    Why am I noting Hillary's utter hypocrisy? I think that question answers itself.
    Well, if you can list all the people, positions and corresponding salaries, you can start to prove a civil case, counselor.

    But you won't.

    You're only interested in rumor and innuendo.

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    Well, if you can list all the people, positions and corresponding salaries, you can start to prove a civil case, counselor.

    But you won't.

    You're only interested in rumor and innuendo.
    Look at you throwing a tantrum ploy even though I said at the outset that this would not be prosecuted.
    Numbers are "rumor and innuendo."

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