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    I'm surprised nobody brought up Biden almost tearing up when he talked about his wife and child that passed away. That was a very powerful moment in this debate that tends to connect with low information voters. Ultimately when I look at Biden I see a very strong and independent person who who will tell Obama what he thinks is right/wrong, and that is what we need in a VP.

    Not someone who is going to rubber stamp McCain. You really think McCain will listen to her on anything? Give me a break.
    So ok, when is he gonna say

    "Look your not qualified for the presidency, turn it over"

    Or is he gonna waffle on that.

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    I love how people making > $250k act like a tax increase is going to ruin their lives. Obama will bring tax levels to what they were during the Clinton years when people were all doing VERY well.

    What would you rather have, higher taxes with a stable economy? Or lower taxes with the dollar being worth nothing, your gas prices through the roof, and your house being worth nothing?
    I'd like my taxes lowered and spending cut.


    I know its hard for you socialists to get your heads around that people DON'T like high taxes.

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    What more do you want me to say? I already told you my stance. You were the one that did not reply when I pointed out you were wrong and instead implied I was stupid. So don't tell me I don't answer. If you earn more than $250,000 (which is what Obama's plan calls for) then yes I support raising your taxes. Jesus Christ.
    God what a prick you are! He works hard and is successful and you want to punish him. Socialism at its worst!

    Waaah, he has more money and it's not fair! I want more than my share - waaah, Obama make him give me a bigger piece.

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    I thought Palin was horrible. When you don't want to answer a question (or don't know an answer), you have to be able to improvise on your feet not just refuse to answer and start rambling about non-related material. I was embarrassed for her for the majority of the debate.

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    Thanks head.

    Punish me for being successfull
    I'm through "arguing" with you, it's not even an argument because you never provide any substance. You just insult me. It's kind of ridiculous.

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    I'm through "arguing" with you, it's not even an argument because you never provide any substance. You just insult me. It's kind of ridiculous.
    God, want a tissue?

    Or do you want to elaborate on why you think I should pay over half of my income to the federal government?

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    I love how people making > $250k act like a tax increase is going to ruin their lives. Obama will bring tax levels to what they were during the Clinton years when people were all doing VERY well.

    What would you rather have, higher taxes with a stable economy? Or lower taxes with the dollar being worth nothing, your gas prices through the roof, and your house being worth nothing?
    Amen to that.

    And I'm sick of the personal attacks by TPark and Crookshanks. I don't personally attack you for your stance. I'd appreciate the same respect. But I won't expect it.

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    Amen to that.

    And I'm sick of the personal attacks by TPark and Crookshanks. I don't personally attack you for your stance. I'd appreciate the same respect. But I won't expect it.
    I'll remember that after the next time you insult me for rooting for Michael Finley like you did all last season.

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    I feel Palin met expectations. She really couldn't help that.

    I do feel Biden won the debate. I think Biden will win with independents in all the snap polls.

    At worst for the Obama camp, this was a tie and blows over tomorrow when the economy comes back into focus. It was not a game changer though. And with each event like this that passes and is not a game changer, McCain loses a chance to swing the race.

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    God, want a tissue?

    Or do you want to elaborate on why you think I should pay over half of my income to the federal government?
    Not remotely likely, unless you don't own a home, don't make charitable contributions, and don't find other ways to create deductions for yourself to reduce your true tax rate.

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    TPark... am I reading you correctly? You are trying to say you make over $250K?

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    Also, I'd like to say while Palin met my expectations I don't think she did a very good job. It was that the expectations were simply do nothing incredibly stupid.

    That being said, I think Biden far exceeded my expectations. I had low expectations for him as well, and I thought he was excellent.

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    Not remotely likely, unless you don't own a home, don't make charitable contributions, and don't find other ways to create deductions for yourself to reduce your true tax rate.
    I make charitable contributions but I don't think I should be paid back for doing it.

    Thats like expecting a present back at christmas after giving someone one.

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    TPark... am I reading you correctly? You are trying to say you make over $250K?
    I'd prefer not to say, but I am considered "rich" by Obama's standards yes.

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    That being said, I think Biden far exceeded my expectations. I had low expectations for him as well, and I thought he was excellent.
    I agree with that. I don't usually like him that much and I thought he was very good.

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    I know its hard for you socialists to get your heads around that people DON'T like high taxes.
    I know it hard for big headed people who inherit their family business to get their heads around that people don't like high taxes when they have to pay them.

    Why do I get the sneaky su ion that you T Park, would have no problem if McCain said everyone making over $250.,000 would get no tax hikes but people making less than $250,000 would.

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    I make charitable contributions but I don't think I should be paid back for doing it.

    Thats like expecting a present back at christmas after giving someone one.
    So you don't deduct those charitable contributions when you file your taxes?

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    I'd prefer not to say, but I am considered "rich" by Obama's standards yes.
    Well, then you are saying you earn more than $250K and you are already in a nearly 50% tax bracket.

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    I think Palin outright avoiding the questions early on - and even admitting it (which I think is a foolish mistake) is going to hurt her quite a bit.

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    TPark... am I reading you correctly? You are trying to say you make over $250K?
    I've always meant to ask if his business is making over $250k.

    Tpark, do you actually pay yourself that much?

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    I know it hard for big headed people who inherit their family business to get their heads around that people don't like high taxes when they have to pay them.

    Why do I get the sneaky su ion that you T Park, would have no problem if McCain said everyone making over $250.,000 would get no tax hikes but people making less than $250,000 would.
    Ahhh nice little jab there.

    But uh, yes I would have a problem with mcCain if he said that. I don't support higher taxes on anyone.

    I think the entire nation is over taxed.

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    I know it hard for big headed people who inherit their family business to get their heads around that people don't like high taxes when they have to pay them.

    Why do I get the sneaky su ion that you T Park, would have no problem if McCain said everyone making over $250.,000 would get no tax hikes but people making less than $250,000 would.
    You'd be wrong. I'd guess he wants lower taxes for every tax bracket.

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    I'm still shocked that she would admit to a desire to increase the power of the Vice President. She might be from the Cheney school of expansive executive power, but stating without reservation that she would advocate for further expansion is both amazing and, to me at least, frightening.
    the word you're looking for is dangerous... and I completely agree.

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    I've always meant to ask if his business is making over $250k.

    Tpark, do you actually pay yourself that much?

    My business does, and I do.

    I work hard, I think I've earned it JK

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    I'd like my taxes lowered and spending cut.


    I know its hard for you socialists to get your heads around that people DON'T like high taxes.
    Spending can't just be magically cut. Especially not by an administration that wants to keep "winning" multiple wars.

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