To Obama, He's only a Plumber

[Spurminator]

Who's digging up anything?

That dumbass made himself stand out.

He was making the rounds on T.V. shows.

Of course they're going to look into who he is and what he's all about.

And, it turned out that deadbeat isn't even paying his god damned taxes, like you and I do.

It also turns out that he doesn't even have a plan on buying the plumbing business that he works at. Which by the way, earns less than $200,000 a year.

When they asked him if he makes $200,000 a year, he said that he makes "no where near that much". So, he has no reason to about the increase in taxes for those who make more than $250,000 a year under Obama's plan.

You don't get it.

[peewee's lovechild]

Please kep the facts strait and in context. Joe will not see a tax increase because the Plumbing company isn't his. He said he was thinking of buying it. If he buys the company, he will now have a larger tax burden than he originally bargained for when he decided to buy.

Keep in mind how often NPR twists the facts. Besides, Joe owes the state of Ohio $1,182.98. Not $1,700.

Is 'Joe the Plumber' really a plumber? That may be debatable

Ohhhhh, so he only owes $1,182.98 in back taxes???

Well, excuse me.

I can see how the rest of us in America will have such great sympathy for a guy ing about paying taxes when he hasn't even paid his yet, while the rest of us already have.

I'm glad you and McCain have found a new hero, Wild Cobra.
And such and example too.


John McCain based his entire arguement on a guy who is "thinking" about buying a company, that makes less than $200,000 per year, and who hasn't paid his taxes yet.

This is absolutely freaking genius.

[peewee's lovechild]

You don't get it.

Apparently, neither do you.

[FromWayDowntown]

Joe wants to buy his business so that he can make more money. If Joe makes more money, his tax liability will increase -- that's never really been a disputed question, as far as I can tell. So the possibility that an increase in Joe's income will result in an increase in his tax liability is controversial -- how?

[Spurminator]

Apparently, neither do you.

Go ahead and keep Joe the Plumber's personal affairs in the news. While you're at it, dig up his past relationships (ex wives? Prison record?). This will all be very helpful to the Democratic campaign, because the success of the Republican strategy here hinges on the legitimacy of the LITERAL Joe the Plumber.

[Wild Cobra]

Joe wants to buy his business so that he can make more money. If Joe makes more money, his tax liability will increase -- that's never really been a disputed question, as far as I can tell. So the possibility that an increase in Joe's income will result in an increase in his tax liability is controversial -- how?

Joe only has so much money to buy the business with. Anytime you make such an investiment, you have to look at how much you pay for the loan, and how much you pay in taxes. This could be the deal breaker. Joe might not buy the business now because he may fear he doesn't have enough income to debt ratio that includes the increased abount of taxes he will pay, from his original projections.

Looks like Joe sees the American Dream slipping away under an Obama presidency.

[Spurminator]

"American Dream" "Joe the Plumber" "Spreading the Wealth" "Baa-aa-aa-aa"

[FromWayDowntown]

Go ahead and keep Joe the Plumber's personal affairs in the news. While you're at it, dig up his past relationships (ex wives? Prison record?). This will all be very helpful to the Democratic campaign, because the success of the Republican strategy here hinges on the legitimacy of the LITERAL Joe the Plumber.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I have no idea why anyone would go looking for the literal Joe the Plumber; McCain's point, valid or otherwise, was about the archetype that Joe the Plumber represents.
What I don't understand about McCain's criticism, however, is the notion that someone who increases his earnings -- perhaps even by a significant amount -- should somehow not expect that the increase will result in an increase in his tax burden. That's been true with Republican and Democratic presidents; it's nothing new.

[FromWayDowntown]

Joe only has so much money to buy the business with. Anytime you make such an investiment, you have to look at how much you pay for the loan, and how much you pay in taxes. This could be the deal breaker. Joe might not buy the business now because he may fear he doesn't have enough income to debt ratio that includes the increased abount of taxes he will pay, from his original projections.

Looks like Joe sees the American Dream slipping away under an Obama presidency.

If Joe increased his income during the Bush Presidency, say by buying the plumbing business, he'd pay more taxes than he currently does, too.

[Wild Cobra]

If Joe increased his income during the Bush Presidency, say by buying the plumbing business, he'd pay more taxes than he currently does, too.

Please re-read what I said.

...the increased amount of taxes he will pay, from his original projections.

[FromWayDowntown]

Please re-read what I said.

so the problem isn't that he'd increase his tax burden, it's that he'd increase his tax burden by slightly more under Obama than he would under McCain or Bush?

[Spurminator]

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I have no idea why anyone would go looking for the literal Joe the Plumber; McCain's point, valid or otherwise, was about the archetype that Joe the Plumber represents.

And the archetypical Joe the Plumber archetype could be helpful for the Democrats to plainly make the case for Obama's tax plan if there is a case to be made. Sadly, few will go at it from this angle and will instead tear down the literal Joe the Plumber, which does nothing to dispute the idea of Obama as a mad taxer of small business owners, and also creates a new hero for Republicans to rally around.

[Spurminator]

Could people not create small businesses during the Clinton years? Was the American Dream dead in the 90's?

[FromWayDowntown]

Could people not create small businesses during the Clinton years? Was the American Dream dead in the 90's?

That's what I was wondering, too, in response to Cobra's new thread promising tax increases for all. While I doubt that will come to pass, for a variety of reasons, even if the result was a return to Clinton-era tax policy, I seem to recall an economy that was thriving during that time, contrary to the predictions of doom and gloom that Cobra and others offer up.

[timvp]

And the archetypical Joe the Plumber archetype could be helpful for the Democrats to plainly make the case for Obama's tax plan if there is a case to be made. Sadly, few will go at it from this angle and will instead tear down the literal Joe the Plumber, which does nothing to dispute the idea of Obama as a mad taxer of small business owners, and also creates a new hero for Republicans to rally around.

This makes way too much sense. Stop messing around and let's go see if he's even registered to vote.

[FromWayDowntown]

Joe was stupid to come with that loaded question knowing Obama's media would be all over his ass. First of all, he has no license to do pumbling, he only makes around 40k a year... if that, he owes back taxes since 2002, and the company that he claimed was producing $250-280k is only worth $100k. The truth is Joe doesnt feel that anyone should have to pay taxes. It seems like every little antic Mccain tries it just keeps back firing.

sigh.

[Wild Cobra]

Joe was stupid to come with that loaded question knowing Obama's media would be all over his ass. First of all, he has no license to do pumbling, he only makes around 40k a year... if that, he owes back taxes since 2002, and the company that he claimed was producing $250-280k is only worth $100k. The truth is Joe doesnt feel that anyone should have to pay taxes. It seems like every little antic Mccain tries it just keeps back firing.

Whre do you get your news? You are so misinformed!

1) Joe never said he as a plumber. He said he wanted to by the Plumbing company he worked for. He might be the bookkeeper. We don't know.

2) Joe never said he made $250,000 to $280,000. He said the company he wants to buy does.

3) You proved yourself to be an ignorant propaganda wench.

[PM5K]

Whre do you get your news? You are so misinformed!

1) Joe never said he as a plumber. He said he wanted to by the Plumbing company he worked for. He might be the bookkeeper. We don't know.

He can't buy the company anyway, because then said company wouldn't have a licensed plumber.

2) Joe never said he made $250,000 to $280,000. He said the company he wants to buy does.

Too bad he can't afford to buy said company since he only makes about 40K a year....

3) You proved yourself to be an ignorant propaganda wench.

[peewee's lovechild]

Whre do you get your news? You are so misinformed!

1) Joe never said he as a plumber. He said he wanted to by the Plumbing company he worked for. He might be the bookkeeper. We don't know.

2) Joe never said he made $250,000 to $280,000. He said the company he wants to buy does.

3) You proved yourself to be an ignorant propaganda wench.

1. The company doesn't make that much.

2. He doesn't have a plan to buy this company and doesn't have the money to buy this company. He can't even pay his taxes right now (he owes over $1,000 in back taxes). . . so, how the can he afford to buy this company?

3. Under Obama's plan, he wouldn't see an increase in taxes because the company doesn't make more than $250,000. He even admitted this on radio and T.V.

4. If this company has never made over $250,000, what makes him think that it will in the near future?

5. This bag is not even a plumber. So, this "Joe The Plumber" bull that McCain was spewing is just pure and utter bull .



You guys reek of desperation.

[JoeChalupa]

Desperate moves sometimes have great results and I see McCain gaining some ground from this story and you know both he and Sarah are going to milk it for all its worth.

[peewee's lovechild]

Desperate moves sometimes have great results and I see McCain gaining some ground from this story and you know both he and Sarah are going to milk it for all its worth.

He made a desperation move by picking Pallin to be his running mate. How'd that game changer turn out for him?

Joe The Plumber is a novelty, and it plays very well with his base.

But, it will all wear off.

[Hook Dem]

"This bag is not even a plumber. So, this "Joe The Plumber" bull that McCain was spewing is just pure and utter bull ."

QUESTION......Would he be a bag if he was voting for Obama?

[JoeChalupa]

He made a desperation move by picking Pallin to be his running mate. How'd that game changer turn out for him?

Joe The Plumber is a novelty, and it plays very well with his base.

But, it will all wear off.

I don't think so. Just look at how all the conservatives are all over his nutsack and guys like whottt are still creaming their jeans over the Sarah Palin pick.

[101A]

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I have no idea why anyone would go looking for the literal Joe the Plumber; McCain's point, valid or otherwise, was about the archetype that Joe the Plumber represents.
What I don't understand about McCain's criticism, however, is the notion that someone who increases his earnings -- perhaps even by a significant amount -- should somehow not expect that the increase will result in an increase in his tax burden. That's been true with Republican and Democratic presidents; it's nothing new.

It's because of the statement Obama made, "We need to spread the wealth around". It sounds anathema to what is right to many Americans. McCain is capitilizing on this.

That, and, in fact, Obama's campaign is one of "soak the rich" -whether in actual practice it is much different from McCain's policy; his language is that. ONLY the top 5% will get a tax increase ("I'm gonna stick it to those rich bas s who did so well under those greedy Republicans!") is the undercurrent. When, in fact, there is only a 3% difference between the tax policies.

[101A]

"This bag is not even a plumber. So, this "Joe The Plumber" bull that McCain was spewing is just pure and utter bull ."

QUESTION......Would he be a bag if he was voting for Obama?

He's a plumber; he's not a licensed plumber. He, in fact, "plumbs" for a living.