To Obama, He's only a Plumber

[peewee's lovechild]

QUESTION......Would he be a bag if he was voting for Obama?

Yes, he would be.

And, if Obama were to use him as the basis of an argument he was making, I'd call him out for it.

[peewee's lovechild]

He's a plumber; he's not a licensed plumber. He, in fact, "plumbs" for a living.

Hey, I change the oil to my vehicles and fix whatever I can on my own.

That should make me a mechanic, right?

[101A]

Hey, I change the oil to my vehicles and fix whatever I can on my own.

That should make me a mechanic, right?

Only if you get paid (and whatever your wife gives you doesn't count).

[peewee's lovechild]

Only if you get paid (and whatever your wife gives you doesn't count).

Then, you make perfect sense.

[clambake]

He might be a bookkeeper.

is there anything more dangerous to a business to have a bookkeeper that has personal debt?

[Spurminator]

Could people not create small businesses during the Clinton years? Was the American Dream dead in the 90's?

Still curious about this. Could some of you older people who were alive way back in the nineties remind all of us youngins what it was like living in a socialist society?

[PM5K]

He's a plumber; he's not a licensed plumber. He, in fact, "plumbs" for a living.

Since he's not licensed I personally wouldn't call him a plumber, since he has to work with a licensed plumber on site, I'd call him a plumbers assistant, but that's just me.

[101A]

Since he's not licensed I personally wouldn't call him a plumber, since he has to work with a licensed plumber on site, I'd call him a plumbers assistant, but that's just me.

In Ohio you don't need a license to be a residential plumber; only to work commercial properties. He is a residential plumber.

BTW, I just turned on my Sigs for the first time in a couple of months. I'm changing my vote; something has persuaded me.

[florige]

Plumber Joe/Sam, just represents the average Joe. Attacking him is stupid.

[Anti.Hero]

How can Obama hate the working class and small business owners so much?

BECAUSE HE ONLY STICKS UP FOR UNION WORKERS WHO ARE THEIR BOSSES' ES WHO ARE THE GOVERNMENTS' ES.

Obama and many lib s can't comprehend that a self-employed working man out on his own can make 250k+ in revenue without the help of a union or the government.

Biden is a joke who needs government work to make his millions.

[hitmanyr2k]

Still curious about this. Could some of you older people who were alive way back in the nineties remind all of us youngins what it was like living in a socialist society?

The 90's weren't bad at all. The tax bogeyman bull is just the same old talking points politicians (and their followers) use to scare up a few votes. They're going to tax you....BOO!! Socialism!! BOO!!

Halloween is the perfect season for this garbage

[101A]

Still curious about this. Could some of you older people who were alive way back in the nineties remind all of us youngins what it was like living in a socialist society?

Clinton was not as liberal as Obama; and did not have nearly as liberal of a Congress, for even his first two years. After that; well, you just don't get further apart politically than Gingrich is from Pelosi.

I would give the Democrats the WH in perpetuity if we could have Newt as speaker at the same time.

[peewee's lovechild]

Biden is a joke who needs government work to make his millions.

Biden is the least wealthy Senator in the Senate.

McCain, on the other hand, is quite wealthy.

[PM5K]

In Ohio you don't need a license to be a residential plumber; only to work commercial properties.

I haven't followed the entire story, but that's certainly interesting to hear.

I recall reading that he had worked on a gas station (a commercial property).

The problem is that Joe The Plumber DOES represent the average Joe, that Joe that would benefit from Obamas tax plan, but McCain intended for Joe to represent a small business owner, which he does not.

[peewee's lovechild]

Clinton was not as liberal as Obama; and did not have nearly as liberal of a Congress, for even his first two years. After that; well, you just don't get further apart politically than Gingrich is from Pelosi.

I would give the Democrats the WH in perpetuity if we could have Newt as speaker at the same time.

Remember that time when he had his little "contract with America" an shut down Congress and what not??

Ahhhh, good times.

[101A]

Biden is the least wealthy Senator in the Senate.

McCain, on the other hand, is quite wealthy.

Yeah, but his kids, who are getting all that money from his campaigns, are doing JUST fine.

McCain married money; it happens.

Now, how the did Obama afford a $1.8 million dig on a State Senator's budget?

[101A]

Remember that time when he had his little "contract with America" an shut down Congress and what not??

Ahhhh, good times.

NOT just Congress; damn near the whole damn Federal Government!!!

Yes it was.

Thanks for the memory.

[peewee's lovechild]

Remember this about Newt:

Eighty-four ethics charges, most of which were leveled by House Democratic Whip David Bonior, were filed against Speaker Gingrich during his term, including claiming tax-exempt status for a college course run for political purposes. Following an investigation by the House Ethics Committee, Gingrich was sanctioned for US$300,000[22] after the House Ethics Committee concluded that inaccurate information supplied to investigators represented "intentional or ... reckless" disregard of House rules.[23] Special Counsel James M. Cole concluded that Gingrich violated federal tax law and had lied to the ethics panel in an effort to force the committee to dismiss the complaint against him. However, the full panel refused to reach a conclusion about whether Gingrich had violated federal tax law and instead decided to leave that finding up to the IRS.[24] In 1999, the IRS cleared the organizations connected with the "Renewing American Civilization" courses under investigation for possible tax violations, which suggests that Gingrich did not use tax-exempt money for political purposes.

Ahhhh, Newt was such a great man.

[101A]

Remember this about Newt:




Ahhhh, Newt was such a great man.

Say what you want; the record, or the country's success while he was Speaker simply don't lie. Great economic growth; budget surpluses, etc...if he hadn't stepped out on his wife; and been speaker when Bush was pres.; we would be in a MUCH different place right now.

[peewee's lovechild]

NOT just Congress; damn near the whole damn Federal Government!!!

Yes it was.

Thanks for the memory.

That went real well for him, didn't it?

Yea, pure greatness there.

[peewee's lovechild]

Say what you want; the record, or the country's success while he was Speaker simply don't lie. Great economic growth; budget surpluses, etc...if he hadn't stepped out on his wife; and been speaker when Bush was pres.; we would be in a MUCH different place right now.

He was forced out by his own party and was forced to give up the position of Speaker of The House.

By his own party!!!

God damn, you are priceless.

[101A]

He was forced out by his own party and was forced to give up the position of Speaker of The House.

By his own party!!!

God damn, you are priceless.

Yeah, and look at the spending spree HIS party went on after he was gone.

He was forced out because, after going after Clinton for a sex scandal he was caught in one of his own. You try to take on the King and fail; well, there's historic precedent for what's gonna happen to you.

Again; look at the United State's revenues vs. expenditures while he was speaker. It is not a coincidence.

[Spurminator]

Clinton was not as liberal as Obama; and did not have nearly as liberal of a Congress, for even his first two years. After that; well, you just don't get further apart politically than Gingrich is from Pelosi.

That's a fair assumption and one of the main reasons I still hesitate to vote for Obama. But the reason I asked the question is that based on Obama's *proposed* plan, even the most wealthy will at worst go back to paying pre-Bush cut tax rates (39% on revenue over $250K vs. 36%). The battle cry around this Joe the Plumber scenario is that Obama is crushing the American Dream, punishing those who become successful through their own hard work. I don't see how an additional 3% AFTER your first $250K stifles small business development, but I think there's good discussion to be had on the subject if we could get past the irrelevant character assassination bull .

[FromWayDowntown]

and been speaker when Bush was pres.; we would be in a MUCH different place right now.

Iran?

[101A]

That's a fair assumption and one of the main reasons I still hesitate to vote for Obama. But the reason I asked the question is that based on Obama's *proposed* plan, even the most wealthy will at worst go back to paying pre-Bush cut tax rates (39% on revenue over $250K vs. 36%). The battle cry around this Joe the Plumber scenario is that Obama is crushing the American Dream, punishing those who become successful through their own hard work.

The actual proposal's are almost silly how close they are to one another. 3 percentage points for the top bracket vs. what it is now; overall tax revenues LOWER than they were under Clinton; Obama's PROPOSALS aren't the fear addressed in the article. The Congress has shown itself far left of Obama's proposals; and have shown a desire to want to govern that way; A platform that far left, however is unelectable for Obama. Potential problem being, we might be left with OBAMA having to put the breaks on crazy ass left wing proposals out of the House/Senate. Remember, Pelosi represents the People's Republic of San Francisco!!!! Then, you throw in that, in fact, McCain is RIGHT when he says Obama has never been cross-wise with the leadership of his party; and you can see a worse-case scenario (for all but the most liberal) developing very quickly.