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[balli]

for Obama if this is true. For the love of God, this can't be true.

http://www.bornalivetruth.com/jillstory.aspx

You're a jackass who creates meaningless threads. Know what the you're talking about before you try to post something like this. The 50 some odd million people who actually are informed, who watched the debate, think you're an idiot.

[TheMadHatter]

This is the United States of America. People can vote for whatever reason they see most important. Who are you to tell anyone differently?

Did you hurt yourself making that stretch?

@ comparing unborn human life to a murderer or child rapist.

I'm not telling people HOW to vote. I'm pleading that they use common sense when they go to the voter booth because informed voters like myself suffer when idiots like you vote George W. Bush into office....twice.

And thank you for proving the ignorance of the pro-life community in one fell swoop. Usually it's not this easy. You're not pro-life. You're pro innocent life. Jesus made no such distinction in his teachings. In fact support of the death penalty is in DIRECT opposition to Jesus' teachings. It's funny how un-Christian Christians are these days.

[Kori Ellis]

It baffles my mind how people can continue to be single issue voters with so many pressing issues facing our nation.

Serious question ... Do you think anyone votes based on ONE issue only? I don't think anyone makes a decision based only on one factor. Certainly they have some issues that are more important than others. But I never hear people say.. "I'm voting for Obama only because he's Pro-Choice. I don't care about anything else."

[timvp]

I'm not telling people HOW to vote. I'm pleading that they use common sense when they go to the voter booth because informed voters like myself suffer when idiots like you vote George W. Bush into office....twice.

I didn't vote for Bush. And if you consider yourself an informed voter, I'd hate to see what an uniformed voter looks like . . .

Seriously, one could be the most informed voter in existence and still decide to vote based on one issue. You being emo about it doesn't make it any less right.

You're not pro-life. You're pro innocent life.

Who said I was pro-life? You do know I'm voting for Obama, right? The man who will become the most pro-abortion president in modern history.

Continually making assumptions on my stances just because I point out your lunacy of reasoning is quite funny.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Who said I was pro-life? You do know I'm voting for Obama, right? The man who will become the most pro-abortion president in modern history.

First of all, its not pro-abortion, its pro-choice, there's a difference. Second, what exactly makes you believe Obama is going to be "the most pro-abortion president in modern history"? the fact that he seems to be the most left leaning in recent times?

I'm just curious

P.S. I noticed you cleverly avoided taking a side on the issue by the way. In the end, what are you? Pro-life or pro-choice? I'm pro-choice myself

[Anti.Hero]

Many dems are far too intellectual to believe in a heaven or so it's no biggie OP.

If they want to hold a #### by its legs while shoving scissors in it's skull to collapse the bone and crush the brain, who's to stop them I say.

[Tully365]

Did Jill just find out this week that Obama is running for president and therefore bravely decide to step forward with this vital information?

[TheMadHatter]

Serious question ... Do you think anyone votes based on ONE issue only? I don't think anyone makes a decision based only on one factor. Certainly they have some issues that are more important than others. But I never hear people say.. "I'm voting for Obama only because he's Pro-Choice. I don't care about anything else."

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When I say single issue voters, I mean people who let one issue dominate their mindset on how they view a candidate. For example, many were fooled with Bush's compassionate conservative while ignoring the fact that his administration started an illegal war sending thousands to their death. Ignoring the fact that he gave corporations billions in tax cuts to the detriment of the common man.

Let's be honest, there is probably nothing Obama can do to get you to vote for him. Don't lie to me, he's pro-choice and you hate that and you will never vote for him because of this. Even though the man he's running against essentially wants to extend the Bush policies of the last 8 years that have put this country in the situation it's in today. This is why wedge issues are SO powerful and why they have worked for the Republicans for the last 20-30 years. Sooner or later you'll wake up and realize that no party in this country wants to do a goddamn thing about abortions or Roe v. Wade and start paying attention to the issues that really matter.

[TheMadHatter]

I didn't vote for Bush. And if you consider yourself an informed voter, I'd hate to see what an uniformed voter looks like . . .

Seriously, one could be the most informed voter in existence and still decide to vote based on one issue. You being emo about it doesn't make it any less right.

Who said I was pro-life? You do know I'm voting for Obama, right? The man who will become the most pro-abortion president in modern history.

Continually making assumptions on my stances just because I point out your lunacy of reasoning is quite funny.

You didn't vote for Bush yet you believe he made a better President than either Kerry or Gore would have been?

I don't know what your positions are because you're too afraid to actually post them.

When you make sensationalist claims like "Obama will be the most pro-abortion" President ever you better back them up. What the does that even mean? If anything abortions may go down under Obama as he would likely fund comprehensive sex education to teenagers which is FAR more effective at stopping abortions and unwanted pregnancies than idiotic abstinence only education.

[timvp]

First of all, its not pro-abortion, its pro-choice, there's a difference.

True. Doesn't change the claim.

Second, what exactly makes you believe Obama is going to be "the most pro-abortion president in modern history"?

His voting record combined with his very own words before he starting his presidential campaign and began flip flopping a bit on the issue.

P.S. I noticed you cleverly avoided taking a side on the issue by the way. In the end, what are you? Pro-life or pro-choice? I'm pro-choice myself

I think it's an issue that should be handled at the state level, so it doesn't enter into my equation of who to vote for as president.

For the record, I don't fit in either camp. I'm pro-life in theory but it's such a situation by situation decision that most pro-lifers consider me pro-choice.

[timvp]

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When I say single issue voters, I mean people who let one issue dominate their mindset on how they view a candidate. For example, many were fooled with Bush's compassionate conservative while ignoring the fact that his administration started an illegal war sending thousands to their death. Ignoring the fact that he gave corporations billions in tax cuts to the detriment of the common man.

Let's be honest, there is probably nothing Obama can do to get you to vote for him. Don't lie to me, he's pro-choice and you hate that and you will never vote for him because of this. Even though the man he's running against essentially wants to extend the Bush policies of the last 8 years that have put this country in the situation it's in today. This is why wedge issues are SO powerful and why they have worked for the Republicans for the last 20-30 years. Sooner or later you'll wake up and realize that no party in this country wants to do a goddamn thing about abortions or Roe v. Wade and start paying attention to the issues that really matter.

You, sir, are an emo Obama asshat of the highest order.

[timvp]

You didn't vote for Bush yet you believe he made a better President than either Kerry or Gore would have been?

Well done. Prove otherwise or else kindly STFU.

I don't know what your positions are because you're too afraid to actually post them.

@ timvp afraid to post his opinion. Are you new to the internet?

When you make sensationalist claims like "Obama will be the most pro-abortion" President ever you better back them up. What the does that even mean?

If you don't know what it means, how can you call it sensationalist?

I know you are the ultimate Obama but you're becoming more pathetic by the day. Step yo game up, child.

[TheMadHatter]

But when the options were Bush or Gore and Bush or Kerry, I think the U.S. made the right choice both times.

The reason why I say you are too afraid to post what you really feel is you really did post this in a thread a few weeks back. But now you deny you ever said it everytime I bring it up, it's an embarrassingly stupid statement to make.

I have more respect for whottt who will actually man up to the idiotic things he says.

[timvp]

The reason why I say you are too afraid to post what you really feel is you really did post this in a thread a few weeks back. But now you deny you ever said it everytime I bring it up, it's an embarrassingly stupid statement to make.

I have more respect for whottt who will actually man up to the idiotic things he says.

Where did I deny that I said that? Provide a link. Thanks.

Are you really this got damn dumb? I've never denied I said that.

[Kori Ellis]

Let's be honest, there is probably nothing Obama can do to get you to vote for him. Don't lie to me, he's pro-choice and you hate that and you will never vote for him because of this. Even though the man he's running against essentially wants to extend the Bush policies of the last 8 years that have put this country in the situation it's in today. This is why wedge issues are SO powerful and why they have worked for the Republicans for the last 20-30 years. Sooner or later you'll wake up and realize that no party in this country wants to do a goddamn thing about abortions or Roe v. Wade and start paying attention to the issues that really matter.

Really?

Wasn't Bill Clinton, pro choice? I voted for him.

If I was going to vote, I would vote for Obama because I think he sucks less than McCain.

[TheMadHatter]

Where did I deny that I said that? Provide a link. Thanks.

Are you really this got damn dumb? I've never denied I said that.

Then you are dumber than we all thought. George Bush a better President than Gore......words cannot express the stupidity of such a statement.

PS you did say it but I'm not going to go digging again for another one of your moronic posts.

[PM5K]

In all fairness this argument seems to be about people making a decision based on one issue, but Kori clearly said being pro life was one of the reasons she wasn't voting for Obama, not the ONLY reason.

[Oh, Gee!!]

On NPR, I heard the Cons ution(al?) Party Presidential Nominee (forgive me, I don't remember his name) railing on McCain and Bush because they are all talk when it comes to being pro-life. According this guy, an ultra right-wing conservative btw, the rate of abortions has remained the same throughout Bush's presidency and will remain the same throughout McCain's as well. He says they pay lip-service to the issue during elections but do nothing to change roe v. wade once elected. I'm not in line with this guy politically, but I do agree with his view that Republican politicians are generally all talk when it comes to abortion. I'm sure some aren't, but the ones that run for president seem to be.

In other words, you're a fool if you're voting Republican simply because the nominee says he/she is pro-life.

[Bartleby]

If the republicans outlawed abortions it would be harder for them to get pro-lifers motivated to vote, which is why I think they're really not as committed to overturning Roe v. Wade as their rhetoric suggests.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Kori clearly said being pro life was one of the reasons she wasn't voting for Obama, not the ONLY reason.

another reason being that he's black, and another being that he's not white.

[Phenomanul]

If the republicans outlawed abortions it would be harder for them to get pro-lifers motivated to vote, which is why I think they're really not as committed to overturning Roe v. Wade as their rhetoric suggests.

Or maybe Roe vs. Wade is something that's more difficult to overturn than you all are suggesting here... (especially with a Democratic Congress)...

There's this thing called 'Checks and Balances'....

[Oh, Gee!!]

There's this thing called 'Checks and Balances'....

There was a Justice Department memo suggesting that there's no such thing.

[Mr. Peabody]

On NPR, I heard the Cons ution(al?) Party Presidential Nominee (forgive me, I don't remember his name) railing on McCain and Bush because they are all talk when it comes to being pro-life. According this guy, an ultra right-wing conservative btw, the rate of abortions has remained the same throughout Bush's presidency and will remain the same throughout McCain's as well. He says they pay lip-service to the issue during elections but do nothing to change roe v. wade once elected. I'm not in line with this guy politically, but I do agree with his view that Republican politicians are generally all talk when it comes to abortion. I'm sure some aren't, but the ones that run for president seem to be.

In other words, you're a fool if you're voting Republican simply because the nominee says he/she is pro-life.

That's funny because I heard a guy saying the same thing on Michael Medved (sp?). He wasn't the Cons ution Party candidate, he was the author of some polemic on abortion. He was saying that the Republicans realized they could use this issue to court Christian conservatives, who hadn't been as fervent in their support as they are now. He was saying that Republicans know that actually acting on the issue is politically dangerous, so the issue is nothing more than a tool that gets paraded around every two years.

[Bartleby]

Or maybe Roe vs. Wade is something that's more difficult to overturn than you all are suggesting here... (especially with a Democratic Congress)...

There's this thing called 'Checks and Balances'....

Prior to 06 Republicans controlled Congress and the WH and there was a conservative majority on the Supreme Court. Why didn't they go for it then?

[Mr. Peabody]

There was a Justice Department memo suggesting that there's no such thing.

I'll get you a copy of that memo.