KB24.com: Kobe vs Jordan

[Allanon]

That would be like Spurs fans saying Manu is better than Kobe. We love our team, but we are not blind.

Last year there was a LONG thread at ST about how Tony was as good as Kobe.

There have always been hints at the KG > Duncan debate but always got shot down because KG had no rings. Now, with a ring, there's open debate on KG over Duncan. An even greater sign is KG will probably win DPOY again and Duncan will not even make the top 3.

[mystargtr34]

Last year there was a LONG thread at ST about how Tony was as good as Kobe.

There have always been hints at the KG > Duncan debate but always got shot down because KG had no rings. Now, with a ring, there's open debate on KG over Duncan. An even greater sign is KG will probably win DPOY again and Duncan will not even make the top 3.

Duncan still has more All-Defensive teams, twice as many MVP's, and 3 more Finals MVP awards. But regardless, rings will always be > than media opinion. And thats just what those awards are.

About Kobe, you cant discount the 3 rings, but hes certaintly no equal to Jordan if he wins 3 more championships. For even a legitimate comparison to be made, he would need to win at least 4 Finals MVP's, and even that leaves Jordan backers with alot more leeway given the MVP's, and still more Finals MVPs.

Until then, hes not really ina league with Duncan, let alone Jordan.

[diego]

isnt allanon the one who says kobe never makes the MJ comparison and its the fans fault? then why is this written dog turd on the official kb24 website?

kobe lost all hope of matching jordan's rings by losing the 04 and 08 finals (anyways, the rings is only a third of MJ's resume). he'll be lucky to play two more finals, much less win them.

as someone else noted, in this tired comparison, for the 3 peat lakers shaq = MJ kobe= pippen. kobe isnt even near the top 5

[JamStone]

I'm not saying it's quite comparable, just that you can't throw them out just because he won with Shaq. History has a way of forgetting the details, if Kobe gets 6 rings, it'll be said that Shaq was the one who couldn't have won without Kobe. Very similar to the talk now outside of SA that KG is better than Duncan because KG's ring is in the now and people forget what Duncan's done.

Kobe has an outside chance at catching the Finals MVP count but no way he'll ever catch MJ on league MVPs.

I do agree, it'd take 7 rings for Kobe to make a strong argument, matching 6 would start the comparisons but just not enough.

, Kobe could end up with 10 Rings

Kobe has an outside chance of winning 6 Finals MVPs????

He a chance at that but can't get 4 more League MVPs????

How about there's no way he catches Jordan in either of those two departments?

[dbreiden83080]

There have always been hints at the KG > Duncan debate but always got shot down because KG had no rings. Now, with a ring, there's open debate on KG over Duncan. An even greater sign is KG will probably win DPOY again and Duncan will not even make the top 3.

Well what is that a "Sign" of??

Other than certain members of the media have their heads so far up their ASSES they can't see the light of day

[Indazone]

Hands down his Airness!!

[hater]

come back when Kobe wins a ring with Bill Purdue as his starting center

[ImmortalD24]

Dumb thread... Jordan>>>>>>> Kobe

This was clearly started to create controversy.

[dbreiden83080]

Pippen is in the Greatest 50 players of all time I believe so although he's no Shaq, he gets good billing.

Dude, Pippen making the 50 best list is shady at best. Jordan would not have 6 rings without him but he would have won a couple. Bulls had the best player of all time to build around for years. Shaq with no rings was going to put up massive numbers and cruise into the HOF. Can we really say Pippen is a 50 best player and a lock for the HOF without Jordan and all those Bulls les?? Shaq is one of the most dominating centers to ever play the game.

[Allanon]

isnt allanon the one who says kobe never makes the MJ comparison and its the fans fault? then why is this written dog turd on the official kb24 website?

Yup, that's me. And it's true, this "blog post" was written by a fan.

kobe lost all hope of matching jordan's rings by losing the 04 and 08 finals (anyways, the rings is only a third of MJ's resume). he'll be lucky to play two more finals, much less win them.

This Lakers team is the most talented in 20 years and still young enough to contend for the next 5 years. I think we'll be seeing Kobe in the Finals ALOT more than 2 times

[IronMexican]

Jordan>>>Kobe. What's the point of this thread?

[Allanon]

Well what is that a "Sign" of??

Other than certain members of the media have their heads so far up their ASSES they can't see the light of day

History is written by the media, if they say KG is a better player than Duncan, then that's what it will be.

If they have their heads up their asses about that, there's not telling what they'll make Kobe out to be. It's already happening. Kobe used to be in the total doghouse with the media.

Nowadays, he's the golden boy...especially since the Olympics. Press coverage on Kobe these days is extremely favorable.

Give him a few more years of a squeaky clean image and a few more rings and he'll be walking on water according to the media.

[Allanon]

Dude, Pippen making the 50 best list is shady at best. Jordan would not have 6 rings without him but he would have won a couple. Bulls had the best player of all time to build around for years. Shaq with no rings was going to put up massive numbers and cruise into the HOF. Can we really say Pippen is a 50 best player and a lock for the HOF without Jordan and all those Bulls les?? Shaq is one of the most dominating centers to ever play the game.

Dude, I didn't write the Top50 list. Although I have to admit, Pippen's defense was top notch.

Jordan didn't start winning until Pippen came along.

I don't think we would know who Pippen was without Jordan. At the same time, Jordan wouldn't have been G.O.A.T without Pippen.

[Allanon]

come back when Kobe wins a ring with Bill Purdue as his starting center

Come back when Jordan wins without Scottie Pippen.

[dbreiden83080]

History is written by the media, if they say KG is a better player than Duncan, then that's what it will be.

That argument has already been decided years ago. KG is a little late to the party to change the mainstream minds. TD has been called the best PF ever for years now by the media. KG has one ring and is getting some love even though he sucked in the finals. Duncan's place in history is light-years ahead of KG.

[dbreiden83080]

Dude, I didn't write the Top50 list. Although I have to admit, Pippen's defense was top notch.

Jordan didn't start winning until Pippen came along.

I don't think we would know who Pippen was without Jordan. At the same time, Jordan wouldn't have been G.O.A.T without Pippen.

Come back when Jordan wins without Scottie Pippen.

You realize this was 100% settled in the finals this year. MJ would have made Paul Pierce eat his lunch in that series. Kobe got outplayed by Pierce pretty badly. MJ would have dessimated him something awful.

[Allanon]

That argument has already been decided years ago. KG is a little late to the party to change the mainstream minds. TD has been called the best PF ever for years now by the media. KG has one ring and is getting some love even though he sucked in the finals. Duncan's place in history is light-years ahead of KG.

KG and Duncan are still playing and in my opinion, we'll be seeing alot more of KG in the Finals than Duncan in their remaining years.

The ring question will then come in question and people will blame it on a poor Minnesota team while Duncan had HOF'ers Manu and Tony Parker and possibly even Bowen.

[dirk4mvp]

You realize this was 100% settled in the finals this year. MJ would have made Paul Pierce eat his lunch in that series. Kobe got outplayed by Pierce pretty badly. MJ would have dessimated him something awful.

LMAO this is true.

I'd like to see what LeBron would have done if he was traded places with Kobe last season...considering he still went farther against the Celtics with a supporting cast around him than Kobe.

[dbreiden83080]

KG and Duncan are still playing and in my opinion, we'll be seeing alot more of KG in the Finals than Duncan in their remaining years.

The ring question will then come in question and people will blame it on a poor Minnesota team while Duncan had HOF'ers Manu and Tony Parker and possibly even Bowen.

It's a bit much to be projecting KG into the finals many more times, that core is not that young. KG is the same age as Duncan. Allen is 34 this year. And Tim has 3 finals MVP's. 2 of those in 99 and 03 were dynamic and dominating. KG one trip to the finals, they won but he was awful. I don't know where you are getting this KG is better than TD vibe from the media. I am not hearing it from anyone who knows what the they are talking about.

[dbreiden83080]

Bowen.

The only time Bowen will see the Hall of Fame is when he purchases a ticket

[Allanon]

It's a bit much to be projecting KG into the finals many more times, that core is not that young. KG is the same age as Duncan. Allen is 34 this year. And Tim has 3 finals MVP's. 2 of those in 99 and 03 were dynamic and dominating. KG one trip to the finals, they won but he was awful. I don't know where you are getting this KG is better than TD vibe from the media. I am not hearing it from anyone who knows what the they are talking about.

It's not about age, it's about the compe ion.

KG plays in the East, that's why I'm projecting KG into the Finals alot more than Duncan.

[dbreiden83080]

It's not about age, it's about the compe ion.

KG plays in the East, that's why I'm projecting KG into the Finals alot more than Duncan.

He can make the finals, he has to win les.

[Allanon]

You realize this was 100% settled in the finals this year. MJ would have made Paul Pierce eat his lunch in that series. Kobe got outplayed by Pierce pretty badly. MJ would have dessimated him something awful.

MJ, his Airness, got decimated by the Pistons 3 years in a row in the Playoffs before finally getting over the hump.

But nobody remembers that stuff because history forgets the details.

Kobe's got 6-7 years left on a talented team to avenge the Celtics loss and add to his ring count.

[RsxPiimp]

Dude, Pippen making the 50 best list is shady at best. Jordan would not have 6 rings without him but he would have won a couple. Bulls had the best player of all time to build around for years. Shaq with no rings was going to put up massive numbers and cruise into the HOF. Can we really say Pippen is a 50 best player and a lock for the HOF without Jordan and all those Bulls les?? Shaq is one of the most dominating centers to ever play the game.

shady? wtf?

ur an idiot and u dont know basketball to question pippens legitimacy in that 50 top list.


using your logic, i can name another 10 players who should've never made that greatest list.

[RsxPiimp]

MJ, his Airness, got decimated by the Pistons 3 years in a row in the Playoffs before finally getting over the hump.

But nobody remembers that stuff because history forgets the details.

Kobe's got 6-7 years left on a talented team to avenge the Celtics loss and add to his ring count.

mj was also in his 20's when he dominated like no other. kobe's too old to make a similar historical run.



id say kobe can definitely win 2 more les with his roster but 3 or more is reaching.