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    I will never apologize for saying Jesus is the One and Only way.

    I may suspect incorrectly about Obama being the anti- christ, but I am ONE HUNDRED percent, without a doubt, never changing my mind sure of who Jesus is.

    So are you saying all other religions other than what you believe are a path to and damnation? Thats the type of thinking that turns off rationality. Your literally taking a line or two from the Bible and misinterpreting it. When Jesus says i am the way and only through me why could it not mean his basic teachings and message is the way.

    Jesus teachings are basically the same message in other religions.
    In your close mindedness all Jewish Hindus Muslims ect. are doomed.

    Are you not against the war in Iraq (Jesus preached peace)? Would you not vote in the president(Obama) more likely to put an end to it?

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    Resources would still be finite.
    Nuh uh! Wouldn't the question of where to get adequate resources from have to be answered in an all answers known society?

    Man I'd hate to get a degree in philosophy.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Manny was calling her racist like "she hates black people". Its was racism thought by definition not based in actual color. I skimmed a lot so I could be wrong.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Manny was calling her racist like "she hates black people". Its was racism thought by definition not based in actual color. I skimmed a lot so I could be wrong.
    Yeah I know. Subconscious racist fear I guess you would call it. Even though one of her parents is black.

    She has one african-american parent. You were playing Psychologist (what a surprise for an internet know-it-all) and asserted that even if she didn't realize it, you thought she harbored some irrational fear of black mean. That means that although she may not know it, she has racist tendencies. Care to clear things up Dr. Phil?

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    meteorologist, economist, political scientist. the list grows each and every day.
    You forgot Psychologist.
    And you both forgot pollster.

    But the real question is, why do you guys have trouble proving me wrong in areas of fact? And when I'm proven wrong in such areas, do I acknowledge it or do I simply go on as though it never happened?

    Its funny, I've never had a problem earning the respect of the smartest posters on this forum but for some reason the mental midgets love to toss around the "know it all" as if I'm supposed to be ashamed of having multiple interests that I seek out information on.

    My next goal in life is to become a private investigator like Shasta.

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    Thanks to all for taking the time to talk with me.
    angel_luv, I say this with as much respect as I can muster from a person who only knows you by this thread. There's a really great Abraham Lincoln quote. "If you look for the bad in people expecting to find it, you surely will." I can't help but notice that at every turn you are looking for the bad in Obama even when you have no evidence. When presented with evidence contrary to your bias, you move to a new misgiving. I don't think any of us really thought we could change your mind, but I certainly cannot fathom the lengths you go to to demand a civic choice conform to your personal religious view.

    You have maintained that no one here has the right to disenfranchise you from your right to vote as an American. I agree. But in reading all you've posted, the obvious truth to me is that you are determined to disenfranchise yourself. You might want to pray on Matthew 22:21 and how it applies to you as both a citizen of the nation of the United States of America and as a follower of Christ's teachings.

    On a personal note, thank you for electing not to vote rather than cast an unsure ballot. Some people might consider it a cop out, but I think it is a responsible choice.

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    Yeah I know. Subconscious racist fear I guess you would call it. Even though one of her parents is black.
    This is pretty funny because you have no idea who Angel was raised by and I do.

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    Resources would still be finite.
    That they are.

    But if energy were free, resources would essentially be infinite.

    The sun puts out more energy in 2 seconds than mankind has used in its entire history.

    If we somehow truly find a way to tap even a small fraction of that energy, we would have what would seem to be infinite resources.

    All material goods flow from some sort of energy. Before oil, it was coal, and before coal, it was water/wind.

    The only reason the modern world exists is because we have found ever more efficient methods of extracting energy.

    If you had all the free energy you wanted, you could extract thousands or tens of thousands of tons of gold from seawater or very weak ore strikes, making gold, as a trading commodity worthless.

    If you had all the free energy you wanted, you could easily build massive desalinization plants to make all the fresh water for irrigation you would anywhere in the world.

    Just something from the top of my head. I think about energy a lot. Sorry.

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    Nuh uh! Wouldn't the question of where to get adequate resources from have to be answered in an all answers known society?

    Man I'd hate to get a degree in philosophy.
    Where can we get more resources?

    On another planet.

    How do we get there?

    Build a spaceship.

    Can I do that?

    No.

    Why?

    You don't have enough resources.

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    well you are all knowing.


    well i can't speak for society as a whole so i can't answer the question the way you're leading me to answer. i'm sure you already have a reply ready, but i can say this. i give every person a clean slate until they screw up. normally i allow them to screw up quite a bit before i see them for what that person is. notice i say person, not race, society, culture, what not. i'll let people with the same mindset as you to pull the race card. it's a cop out. plain and simple. i'll be more than happy to support and vote for a black/man or woman, or any race for that matter, that runs for the presidency, but this time around i won't be voting for that black man. all races have their positive and negative figures. any person should know that.
    So you basically feel that you harbor no preconceived notions about anyone at all? You do not feel you have any visual associations that kick in during an absence of any overriding information?

    And I'm not trying to trap you Viva, I'm asking questions.

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    Where can we get more resources?

    On another planet.

    How do we get there?

    Build a spaceship.

    Can I do that?

    No.

    Why?

    You don't have enough resources.

    You refuse to think within my all answers box ES.

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    And you both forgot pollster.

    But the real question is, why do you guys have trouble proving me wrong in areas of fact? And when I'm proven wrong in such areas, do I acknowledge it or do I simply go on as though it never happened?
    What would you like me to prove you wrong in? Is it fact that angel_luv has subconscious feelings of fear toward black men?

    Its funny, I've never had a problem earning the respect of the smartest posters on this forum but for some reason the mental midgets love to toss around the "know it all" as if I'm supposed to be ashamed of having multiple interests that I seek out information on.

    My next goal in life is to become a private investigator like Shasta.
    You shouldn't be ashamed of learning or having multiple interests. I just think you're an asshole who thinks he knows everything. I learned in college that flaunting a superficial knowledge is as bad as being an idiot. So I set out to learn what I wanted to learn but not flaunt it every chance I get. If you want me to I can.

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    I had put this is the I voted thread, but will repost it here.
    Is this a conclusion you've come to recently because this is not what you've been saying?
    the following was quoted early in this thread
    I had put this is the I voted thread, but will repost it here.
    posted yesterday
    I do not trust Senator Obama at all. I think he is dangerous.
    Can I prove that he is? No.
    But that is what concerns me. I think Senator Obama has ulterior motives and is such a good liar that he will fool the majority of the world before being finally found out.

    That said, there would be no one more happier than myself if I were proven wrong. I just don't expect to be.


    Senator McCain has not impressed me as a candidate either, but is the least disappointing choice.
    I hope Senator McCain will govern in a way that I can look back and in retrospect be pleased I voted for him.

    If nothing else, at least McCain is pro life, which is one thing I certainly support.
    and you even replied to it.
    I'm going to rant here for a second and you may get some flak Angel but its nothing personal.

    I am sick of the abortion issue being such a major decider in people's presidential vote. Almost everyone I talked to this weekend who was undecided but wanted to vote for Barak brought up the abortion issue. Many of them were incredibly misinformed on both candidates stances on the issue to begin with some going as far as saying at least McCain had promised to make it illegal. O Rly?

    The abortion issue is completely irrelevant to a president because no president is going to be able to change it. You can go as far as to talk about possible judicial appointments but I really doubt that even many conservative judges would overturn roe v wade simply on the basis of being appointed by a Republican president. Its foolish and for me its the equivalent of voting for a president based on his shoe size.

    you must love hearing yourself talk.

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    Depends on the church. I can't say mine exercises "control" unless "control" is "hey, since we all love Jesus, let's get together and rebuild hurricane-damaged homes" or "let's raise money for this school in Kenya for AIDS orphans."

    There's preaching about practicing self-denial too. I guess if people don't like it, next week they go down the road to the next one.

    The ones that in the past have really tried to control people would be more like the RCC, CRC, some Southern Baptists, etc. where they really lay the guilt on thick.
    Yeah alright, thats totally fair.

    I should have stated in that previous post that I fully recognize the charitable contributions to the community churches are responsible for. Whether its their time, their money or both, churches have made huge differences in the lives of those they have touched.

    Its just that, IMO, organized religion has instilled an air of superiority into its flock. Someone had said it was like a "members only" club, which I find to be true. Your church may certainly not be like this, and admittedly I speak about church from a Roman Catholic perspective.

    I just find organized religion to be divisive in its nature by causation, not necessarily intent. Its an "us and them" mentality no matter how benign. Its just the same as national borders and patriotism, only the implications are far more vague and emotional creating a rift between people of the world based on (im sorry to be harsh with you, ES) nothing more than their preferred Invisible Man in the Sky.

    At least national borders are concrete, based on resource and economy, tangible items on interest to be secured and defended. Religion on its own is metaphysical only, yet its power of allegiance is more profound than any flag waving patriot has for his country.

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    This is pretty funny because you have no idea who Angel was raised by and I do.


    ooooooo you have super secret knowledge of the third level!! Please share it with us oh powerful being from the future.

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    I also think it's funny that you presume to know how smart I am by evaluating my posts on an internet forum. Real scientific Dr. Oppenheimer.

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    Yes, I agree completely. This is supposed to be an open society, and I support angel luv's right to speak her thoughts freely. I don't agree with her on many issues, but that doesn't matter to me. The whole point of dissent being allowed in a society is to bring disagreements to the table for discussion-- not to turn every debate into a name-calling contest.
    So, I got a discount on devil's advocate sneakers last week. Touting the benefits of open society doesn't just mean you get to applaud angel_luv's right to speak her own mind and state her religious beliefs and those who engage with her in what you deem to be civil discourse, but also the rights of those who challenge her, even if their tactics involve the name-calling you disapprove of.

    Again, I don't understand why "I think you're going to if you don't agree with me, but I will pray for you" coming from a fundamentalist is any more or less offensive than "you are a few elephants short of a box of animal crackers" or, as some put it "you're ing nuts."

    It's all really the same sentiment in different packaging and it's all speech. It's all valid. It's just not all pretty.

    Yes?

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    What would you like me to prove you wrong in? Is it fact that angel_luv has subconscious feelings of fear toward black men?
    Did I say it was?

    You shouldn't be ashamed of learning or having multiple interests. I just think you're an asshole who thinks he knows everything. I learned in college that flaunting a superficial knowledge is as bad as being an idiot. So I set out to learn what I wanted to learn but not flaunt it every chance I get. If you want me to I can.
    Lol @ flaunting it in a place meant for discussion.

    Ok.

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    the following was quoted early in this thread


    posted yesterday


    and you even replied to it.



    you must love hearing yourself talk.
    She named it as the sole primary reason today as opposed to yesterday where it was the "if nothing else" reason. But OK?

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    What "facts" would you like me to prove wrong? You mentioned that I never proved any of your facts wrong. I'm waiting for some facts.


    Lol @ flaunting it in a place meant for discussion.

    Ok.
    So you admit you're an internet know-it-all?

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    ooooooo you have super secret knowledge of the third level!! Please share it with us oh powerful being from the future.
    Actually I think its knowledge a decent amount of the posters within the thread have. Its just apparent from the point you keep trying to make that you don't have it. You can PM Veronica and I'm sure she'd talk to you about it since you've been nice enough to refer to her as crazy several times here.

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    What "facts" would you like me to prove wrong? You mentioned that I never proved any of your facts wrong. I'm waiting for some facts.




    So you admit you're an internet know-it-all?
    So you're saying I never provide facts, so I guess an I'm an internet know it all of my opinion?

    Sure, I'll admit to that.

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    I also think it's funny that you presume to know how smart I am by evaluating my posts on an internet forum. Real scientific Dr. Oppenheimer.
    Oh I don't know if you're smart or not, but you definitely showed a lack of reading comprehension in this thread or you choose to disregard it in favor of making a non existent point so at the very least this thread has shown you as being intellectually dishonest.

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    Actually I think its knowledge a decent amount of the posters within the thread have. Its just apparent from the point you keep trying to make that you don't have it. You can PM Veronica and I'm sure she'd talk to you about it since you've been nice enough to refer to her as crazy several times here.
    Anyone can guess by your super secret posts that she was raised by her non-black parent (or a grandparent). That's fine. Where did I ever say she was raised by an african-american?

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    So you basically feel that you harbor no preconceived notions about anyone at all? You do not feel you have any visual associations that kick in during an absence of any overriding information?

    And I'm not trying to trap you Viva, I'm asking questions.
    any human would have these visual associations/preconceived notions. i'm not saying i don't, but i don't cling to that notion. i interact with everyone until i see them for what they are and i handle them accordingly. show me a person in this world that doesn't have preconceived notions about an initial meeting. one doesn't exist. it depends on how you handle yourself after that initial meeting.

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