Wade is already ahead of him, he carried a team to a le with Shaq not what he once was.
Context, context please. How did Wade get that championship ? Oh yeah, by getting the undeserved Jordan treatment by the refs that year and the Mavs choking a 2-0 lead.
The only time Wade was really battle tested was during that ONE series against the Pistons. He still haven't proven his mettle. I call that a fortunate le run being in the weak ass east and all. Bring his ass over to the west, and see if he could do what Kobe did...carry a crap ass team every single night throughout the year and be one game from knocking out a 2nd seeded team in the playoffs.
I can understand if we're talking about Lebron here. But Wade ? It's so illogical that I must conclude that it's just bitterness and haterism for "Spurs Killer" Kobe. It has to be for that reason alone.
Btw, I don't think rings alone should determine a players greatness.
Horry has more rings than Kobe, but does that mean he's a greater player ?
Does that mean he's closer to Jordan than Kobe is ?
Like I said, context please.
You want to compare a guy who left a game in a wheelchair to Kobe Bryant ?
No, I want to compare a guy who was the best player on the planet in the '06 NBA finals to Michael Jordan; try and keep up. Kobe's never been that in the playoffs, let alone in the Finals.
Wade isn't on Kobe's level. He doesn't have Kobe's mental toughness, clutchness/killer instinct, nor is his game as complete as Kobe's (and never will be). Kobe's nba resume blows Wade's away (http://www.kb24.com/bio). I can just stop right here. It's silly, really.
Kobe's NBA resume has way more individual accolades than Wade's does, but unfortunately basketball is a team sport, and Allanon is talking about what someone could become. As far as mental toughness and clutchness (?) go, I'll take Wade. He's done more to carry a team in big games than Kobe has and he's four years younger. If comparing him to Jordan is crazy, then imagine what comparing Kobe to Jordan is.
Bryant isn't even in the discussion when it comes to the most important players in the history of pro basketball. At this point, Bryant is more likely to be remembered as the complimentary player on three Shaq teams and "that guy who scored 81 points in a game" than for anything else.
Hyperbole + Haterism = loss of credibility.
Kobe is a definetly top 50 in Nba history. Therefore, he is important to it's history.
No, I want to compare a guy who was the best player on the planet in the '06 NBA finals to Michael Jordan; try and keep up. Kobe's never been that in the playoffs, let alone in the Finals.
Best player "IN" that moment of time during "THAT" series ? I'll give you that. But he definetly wasn't the best player in the world during that time.
You mean this year's olympics, where he was better than Kobe Bryant? Well, yeah.
And during the championship game when it MATTERED....who stepped up when NO ONE else could ? Well, yeah.
As far as mental toughness and clutchness (?) go, I'll take Wade. He's done more to carry a team in big games than Kobe has and he's four years younger. .
As the years go by, I am realizing that Kobe is environmentally re ed. Seriously, he grew up overeseas as the child of a pro athlete. No wonder he acts the fool.
What the does that have to do with anything ? And you don't even personally know the guy.
Proof of haterism here.
Sorry, because of that, you lose credibility when talking about Kobe Bryant now.
And the clubbing continues, only this time I can sit back and watch as you do it to yourself. At this point, Wade looks more like Jordan than Kobe does.
Uhmm, you clubbed yourself on that one. Wade = 1 ring, Kobe 3 rings. Considering this year, I like Kobe's chances to be 4 rings to Wade's 1.
Nobody knows what Kobe's going to do / or Wade. Come back to me when you become a prophet.
Uhmm, you clubbed yourself on that one. Wade = 1 ring, Kobe 3 rings.
Wade's four years younger than Kobe, so nothing Kobe did counts because I can make up whatever outlandish I'd like because Wade's career hasn't been written yet.
Are you guys seriously trying to argue that Wade is a better player than Kobe?
I can completely understand the Lebron debate, but Wade is undeserving at this point in time. Wade is a great player and I love watching him play, but he isn't on Kobe's level. There is only one active player who is on Kobe's level right now, and that is Lebron.
Wade's four years younger than Kobe, so nothing Kobe did counts because I can make up whatever outlandish I'd like because Wade's career hasn't been written yet.
We're not having this debate. Wade is not better than Kobe nor is he equal to Kobe. This is simply not up to debate, sorry.
I understand your bitterness for Kobe because he has killed your Spurs so many times in the playoffs, but it clearly is clouding your judgment.
Btw, I don't think rings alone should determine a players greatness.
Horry has more rings than Kobe, but does that mean he's a greater player ?
Does that mean he's closer to Jordan than Kobe is ?
Like I said, context please.
Welcome to the debate. I have been arguing it is not just about rings and you have to look at the specific cir stances for 15 pages now. Try reading more than one post
Oh, no. I just think it's more probable they'll visit you for some kinky 3-way action, but that's just my opinion.
Well I don't agree, but you are certainly en led to your opinion. Either way, even when I am wrong, I am right in this case. I am glad to see that you are not a prophet like some of these other posters.
How many MVPs does Parker have? This has been discussed already. Kobe already has 1 MVP, when Parker gets 1 MVP, he can join the discussion.
Why? Might as well state exactly your criteria. From what I read, one MVP gets you in the conversation, then rings, regardless of your role, finalizes it.
So is Garnett more accomplished than Malone and Barkley?
Marquise Walker could be better than Jordan, Bird, Magic, Chamberlain and Russell combined. He is more accomplished than any one of them at 8 years old, and no one can be sure that he is not going to win 1 MVPs and 54 les, but zero Finals MVP. I expect him to average 94 ppg in the NBA, with 52 rpg, 16 blks, 21 steals and 36 assists, while average zero turnovers and fouls, shooting 100% from the field and ft line. He is going to break every single record in existence, and play for 54 years (winning a le for every single year he will be in the league).
Since why is one MVP important now? Why aren't DPoY, Finals MVPs important? Because Kobe got one MVP and doesn't have the others?
MVP proves that you are the best of the best over the course of a season.
A Finals MVP means you were great in 4 games.
Coming from a guy who couldn't stop about people stating their opinions as facts ....
Why would Kobe catching up with # of rings be able to make up for Final MVPs? Because you defined them?
I did not say catching up with the #'s of rings. I said SURPASS. If Kobe has 7-8 rings, he would have more than Jordan. So what else could you bring up to level the playing field other than start going into awards?
Why is this important?
Because it shows you were the best. If Jordan never got 1 MVP, he would not be GOAT. If Kobe never got 1 MVP, we would never have this conversation.
Why is this important?
Because it shows you were the best. If Jordan never got 1 MVP, he would not be GOAT. If Kobe never got 1 MVP, we would never have this conversation.
Why? Might as well state exactly your criteria. From what I read, one MVP gets you in the conversation, then rings, regardless of your role, finalizes it.
So is Garnett more accomplished than Malone and Barkley?
I don't know if KG is more accomplished than Malone and Barkley I haven't thought about it but it's certainly debateable.
Marquise Walker could be better than Jordan, Bird, Magic, Chamberlain and Russell combined. He is more accomplished than any one of them at 8 years old, and no one can be sure that he is not going to win 1 MVPs and 54 les, but zero Finals MVP. I expect him to average 94 ppg in the NBA, with 52 rpg, 16 blks, 21 steals and 36 assists, while average zero turnovers and fouls, shooting 100% from the field and ft line. He is going to break every single record in existence, and play for 54 years (winning a le for every single year he will be in the league).
Why not? It's possible.
Definitely he could be a great player, that kid's got some great handles.
I saw some special video on him I think on ESPN, I hope he makes it to the NBA.
Are you guys seriously trying to argue that Wade is a better player than Kobe?
You are finally starting to get what it's like when you guys try to argue that Kobe is even close to Jordan. Put that feeling in a bottle and take a sniff of it every time you feel the urge to bring this moronic discussion up again.
You are finally starting to get what it's like when you guys try to argue that Kobe is even close to Jordan. Put that feeling in a bottle and take a sniff of it every time you feel the urge to bring this moronic discussion up again.
Allanon is not arguing that Kobe is better than Jordan. He is saying that it is possible he can be better by the time he is done. He is arguing that it is possible for Kobe to catch and surpass Jordan's individual and team achievements and awards by the time his career is over.
What I want to know is, does he think it is PROBABLE? If so, please list your reasoning, complete with factual evidence to support this belief in probability.
What I want to know is, does he think it is PROBABLE? If so, please list your reasoning, complete with factual evidence to support this belief in probability.
I am 50/50 on this one as to whether Kobe will match or surpass Jordan as GOAT.
For facts, I use the fact that Kobe at 30 is at virtually the same point as Jordan at age 30. A couple of championships down, an MVP in the pocket and a championship caliber team. Both had lost their selfish tags at this point and were all about winning and leading their respective teams.
After this year, I think we will have a much better feel for this, the timing on this question is 1 season too early.
What Kobe does starting this year will determine whether or not he has the goods to become GOAT or mentioned with him.
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