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    but the point still on topic here.... does Joe Biden making a threat like that.. would it qualify him as a terrorist...
    Joe Biden a terrorist?? No it makes him what he always is, a gaffe machine.

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    I couldn't care less about the use of the word terrorist to identify the person. I am much more concerned with this:

    "Americans or facilities that it would be unacceptable to": Does that mean that there are some that are acceptable to harm- for example abortion clinics- but she is only concerned about the ones that are unacceptable to harm like the Pentagon?

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    I couldn't care less about the use of the word terrorist to identify the person. I am much more concerned with this:

    "Americans or facilities that it would be unacceptable to": Does that mean that there are some that are acceptable to harm- for example abortion clinics- but she is only concerned about the ones that are unacceptable to harm like the Pentagon?
    No, no, no...."acceptable" is by definition a subjective term.

    She just subjected "abortion clinic bombing" to her definition of terrorism and found it not so fitting, because she doesnt find abortion "acceptable".

    The better question is, what else does she not find acceptable?

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    the motivation is to control other people

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    I just have this mixed thing of both sadness and hilarity when I see that McCain has to be present whenever Palin gives an interview. I mean, if that is not destroying your image right there, I just don't know what it is.

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    No, no, no...."acceptable" is by definition a subjective term.

    She just subjected "abortion clinic bombing" to her definition of terrorism and found it not so fitting, because she doesnt find abortion "acceptable".

    The better question is, what else does she not find acceptable?
    Seems to me- she did not imply abortion is unacceptable, she implied bombing abortion clinics IS acceptable.

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    Back on pitbull :

    Sarah Palin Gives Up on Muslim Attacks

    http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/1...uslim_attacks/

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    Seems to me- she did not imply abortion is unacceptable, she implied bombing abortion clinics IS acceptable.
    Ahhh....touché, good sir/madam (idk).

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    This thread has a lot of gems. School bullies are terrorists. Anyone who uses a bomb is a terrorist. Anyone who causes any type of fear is a terrorist. Basically, we are all currently or have been a terrorist at some point or another. Great reasoning in this thread. Oh and don't forget the take that the 9/11 attackers didn't have political motives. More greatness

    Another question for this thread to ponder. If a parent is pissed that an abortion clinic gave an abortion to their daughter and decides to bomb the abortion clinic in an attempt to injure the doctor, is that parent a terrorist? Thank you, thread, thank you.

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    Yes, IMO, that parent would be a terrorist.

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    This thread has a lot of gems. School bullies are terrorists. Anyone who uses a bomb is a terrorist. Anyone who causes any type of fear is a terrorist. Basically, we are all currently or have been a terrorist at some point or another. Great reasoning in this thread. Oh and don't forget the take that the 9/11 attackers didn't have political motives. More greatness

    Another question for this thread to ponder. If a parent is pissed that an abortion clinic gave an abortion to their daughter and decides to bomb the abortion clinic in an attempt to injure the doctor, is that parent a terrorist? Thank you, thread, thank you.

    No offense, but did you read any of the responses? It was said a couple of times that just because you use a bomb it doesn't mean you're a terrorist, but if you're using that bomb to scare people to change their behavior, then yes. No you wouldn't be a terrorist for a bombing a clinic because you're pissed about your daughter, you'd just be a piece of murderer. The school bully thing was obviously a joke.

    The 9/11 terrorist were motivated by religion which directly influenced their politics.

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    No you wouldn't be a terrorist
    Exactly.

    The 9/11 terrorist were motivated by religion which directly influenced their politics.
    Exactly.

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    Exactly.

    Exactly.
    Ok, I thought you may have skipped over those parts of the thread

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    No offense, but did you read any of the responses? It was said a couple of times that just because you use a bomb it doesn't mean you're a terrorist, but if you're using that bomb to scare people to change their behavior, then yes. No you wouldn't be a terrorist for a bombing a clinic because you're pissed about your daughter, you'd just be a piece of murderer. The school bully thing was obviously a joke.

    The 9/11 terrorist were motivated by religion which directly influenced their politics.
    He doesn't read responses. Like I have said many times before, his reading comprehension is deplorable. He likes to make wide accusations against liberals, Democrats, and Obama supporters to fit his preconceived notions of what they are.

    By his own definition of a terrorist, abortion clinic bombers would clearly be domestic terrorists:

    Personally, a precondition for me to label someone a terrorist is the person has to have political gain as an objective in their action. Otherwise, anyone on earth who does anything evil could be considered a terrorist. Now whether someone bombs an abortion clinic for political reasons is probably based on a case by case basis.
    But somehow he comes to this conclusion about abortion clinic bombers:

    A person can bomb an abortion clinic without being necessarily a terrorist, unless you want to classify everybody who murders a person or bombs anything a terrorist.
    Newsflash Tim, abortion IS a political issue, especially in this country, and people who bomb abortion clinics are TRYING to make a political statement to incite fear into those who support abortion. I've never seen someone draw such horrible conclusions as you in my lifetime, you and whottt must be smoking the same

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    Another example of TheMadHatter being amazingly dumb. I don't even know why I'm wasting this keystrokes . . .

    By his own definition of a terrorist, abortion clinic bombers would clearly be domestic terrorists:
    Obviously. That's why I said abortion clinic bombers can definitely be terrorists.


    But somehow he comes to this conclusion about abortion clinic bombers:
    In other words, not all abortion clinic bombers are terrorists.

    You want proof? Read the damn words you just just quoted.

    No you wouldn't be a terrorist for a bombing a clinic because you're pissed about your daughter
    So, again, TheMadHatter owns himself within his own post.

    What a dumb mufuka.

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    "The 9/11 terrorist were motivated by religion which directly influenced their politics."

    OBL said 9/11 was to punish the occupying, American boots defiling his sacred Saudi Arabia after the Gulf WAr.

    Yes, American actions (oil-motivated) "caused" 9/11, according to OBL.

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    This thread has a lot of gems. School bullies are terrorists. Anyone who uses a bomb is a terrorist. Anyone who causes any type of fear is a terrorist. Basically, we are all currently or have been a terrorist at some point or another. Great reasoning in this thread. Oh and don't forget the take that the 9/11 attackers didn't have political motives. More greatness

    Another question for this thread to ponder. If a parent is pissed that an abortion clinic gave an abortion to their daughter and decides to bomb the abortion clinic in an attempt to injure the doctor, is that parent a terrorist? Thank you, thread, thank you.
    Are you stepping back from your proposal that terrorism can only be defined as being politically motivated?

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    Terrorism does not have to be politically motivated. I absolutely disagree with that notion.

    Terrorism is any act whose primary purpose is to spread fear and terror amongst its targets. 9/11 is a great example, the primary aim of the terrorists was to spread fear and panic amongst the American public and not to simply kill innocent civilians or destroy the WTC.

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    Terrorism does not have to be politically motivated. I absolutely disagree with that notion.

    Terrorism is any act whose primary purpose is to spread fear and terror amongst its targets. 9/11 is a great example, the primary aim of the terrorists was to spread fear and panic amongst the American public and not to simply kill innocent civilians or destroy the WTC.
    I respect your opinion here, but someone is generating that fear for a larger purpose.

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    Are you stepping back from your proposal that terrorism can only be defined as being politically motivated?
    Sarcasm.

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    Terrorism does not have to be politically motivated. I absolutely disagree with that notion.
    Then you better take it up with dictionaries around the world:

    Anyone who uses terror as a weapon in a political struggle, frequently in an attempt to coerce a more powerful opponent, such as a government.

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    a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities

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    One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant.

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    You can disagree with me all you want, but some of us put limits on what cons utes terrorism. If you don't put such limits, then just about any violent act can be considered terrorism. You can disagree with me and others who put similar limitation, but you can't say I'm wrong since there is no universally recognized definition of "terrorism", which means there isn't a universally recognized definition of a "terrorist".

    Terrorism is any act whose primary purpose is to spread fear and terror amongst its targets.
    Sounds like you need to contact the leaders of the free world considering you have it all figured out. Oh and contact Webster while you're at it.

    9/11 is a great example, the primary aim of the terrorists was to spread fear and panic amongst the American public and not to simply kill innocent civilians or destroy the WTC.
    No kidding. Who said differently?

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    Yes I know. But I was asking legitimately whether you wanted to go back on your assertion from your first post.

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    Yes I know. But I was asking legitimately whether you wanted to go back on your assertion from your first post.
    Uh, no. Did you read the post right above yours?

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    Uh, no. Did you read the post right above yours?
    No...I'll do it now

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