The question that just don't die or go away for Obama?

[Sigmund]

Why change the comparison? Why not just ask if it was alleged in multiple states that Sarah Palin needed to show her birth certificate to prove she meets the citizenship requirements, would I be in favor of her showing her birth certificate to a court and getting it over with?

Of course I would be...


Whatever...it's only the most importaint job in the country, by all means get cute with it...because that's what people want in their President.

I see.

Tell me, what do you associate Mrs. Palin with?

[ElNono]

What makes you emphasize these words?

LOL!!!!!
Freud FTW!

[doobs]

Look, if Obama were only 34 years old, would anyone disagree with disqualifying him? I hope not--you can't pick and choose the laws or cons utional provisions you want to follow. This seems to be a dead-end, though.

Maybe we should just conquer Kenya and declare all Kenyan-born people to be natural born citizens of the United States.

[ElNono]

Look, if Obama were only 34 years old, would anyone disagree with disqualifying him? I hope not--you can't pick and choose the laws or cons utional provisions you want to follow. This seems to be a dead-end, though.

Maybe we should just conquer Kenya and declare all Kenyan-born people to be natural born citizens of the United States.

Don't tell dubya. He's all for more land grabbing...

[Sigmund]

False...I'm expecting him to produce it in a court case and get it over with. Then he doesn't have to produce it anymore....


Until he produces it, it's going to remain an issue. He's only running for President.

I am sorry but it doesn't speak well for any of you guys that you are supporting him loopholing his way out of this. Sounds desperate to me.

Why are you concerned with Mr. Obama producing "it"?

If he produced "it" how would you feel? Would you stare at "it"?

[Sigmund]

Don't tell dubya. He's all for more land grabbing...

I see.

Tell me more about "grabbing". How does "grabbing" make you feel?

[ElNono]

I see.

Tell me more about "grabbing". How does "grabbing" make you feel?

[ChumpDumper]

Look, if Obama were only 34 years old, would anyone disagree with disqualifying him? I hope not--you can't pick and choose the laws or cons utional provisions you want to follow.

But you can pick and choose which double standard you are going to apply in this case.

Maybe we should just conquer Kenya and declare all Kenyan-born people to be natural born citizens of the United States.

Maybe you should just accept a do ent that is accepted in every court in the United States.

Maybe you shouldn't suck the s of 9/11 truthers and urine test cheating hucksters.

[doobs]

But you can pick and choose which double standard you are going to apply in this case.

Maybe you should just accept a do ent that is accepted in every court in the United States.

Maybe you shouldn't suck the s of 9/11 truthers and urine test cheating hucksters.

What double standard? Didn't I say this is a dead-end?

There's no indication that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. I think it's a stupid rule, but I respect the rules. If Obama was 34 years old, he should be disqualified. If Obama was born in Kenya, he should be disqualified. Do you disagree?

[ElNono]

What double standard? Didn't I say this is a dead-end?

There's no indication that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. I think it's a stupid rule, but I respect the rules. If Obama was 34 years old, he should be disqualified. If Obama was born in Kenya, he should be disqualified. Do you disagree?

There's actual evidence he was born in Hawaii. What do you need to know?

[ChumpDumper]

What double standard? Didn't I say this is a dead-end?

You are acting like Obama has shown no proof of citizenship.

There's no indication that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. I think it's a stupid rule, but I respect the rules. If Obama was 34 years old, he should be disqualified. If Obama was born in Kenya, he should be disqualified. Do you disagree?

I think it's a fine rule, and it has been proven to be met.

[doobs]

There's actual evidence he was born in Hawaii. What do you need to know?

I think I'm being misunderstood. I'm saying this is a dead-end because there's no proof that he was born outside the US. That's a fact issue, and I presume that Obama was born in Hawaii. I don't need to know anything. This whole birth certificate "controversy" is just a hot, steamy pile of crap.

But I'm also saying that it's not an irrelevant or stupid question--if there's a legitimate reason to doubt his place of birth, then it's an issue. Just as age or residency or citizenship are issues, too, when it comes to presidential qualifications.

Personally, I think we should just trust the wisdom of the voters, but that's not what the Cons ution envisioned. President Schwarzenegger has a nice ring to it.

[ChumpDumper]

I think I'm being misunderstood. I'm saying this is a dead-end because there's no proof that he was born outside the US. That's a fact issue, and I presume that Obama was born in Hawaii. I don't need to know anything. This whole birth certificate "controversy" is just a hot, steamy pile of crap.

But I'm also saying that it's not an irrelevant or stupid question--if there's a legitimate reason to doubt his place of birth, then it's an issue. Just as age or residency or citizenship are issues, too, when it comes to presidential qualifications.

Personally, I think we should just trust the wisdom of the voters, but that's not what the Cons ution envisioned. President Schwarzenegger has a nice ring to it.

Are you saying there is a legitimate reason to doubt his place of birth?

Yes or no.

[doobs]

Are you saying there is a legitimate reason to doubt his place of birth?

Yes or no.

No. I never did. Read what I wrote.

[ChumpDumper]

Great. I'm glad you made yourself clear.

[doobs]

Great. I'm glad you made yourself clear.

Just FYI, chief:

I'm saying this is a dead-end because there's no proof that he was born outside the US. That's a fact issue, and I presume that Obama was born in Hawaii. I don't need to know anything. This whole birth certificate "controversy" is just a hot, steamy pile of crap.

Ergo, there's no legitimate reason to question his place of birth.

Reading is FUN-damental.

[ElNono]

I think I'm being misunderstood. I'm saying this is a dead-end because there's no proof that he was born outside the US. That's a fact issue, and I presume that Obama was born in Hawaii. I don't need to know anything. This whole birth certificate "controversy" is just a hot, steamy pile of crap.

But I'm also saying that it's not an irrelevant or stupid question--if there's a legitimate reason to doubt his place of birth, then it's an issue. Just as age or residency or citizenship are issues, too, when it comes to presidential qualifications.

The question is entirely irrelevant and stupid. If there was any legitimate reason to doubt his place of birth, then it would have come up before being allowed to run the primaries. The fact that there was no doubt about his qualifications when the checks were made back then and he actually did run the primaries, makes this whole FUD campaign idiotic.

Personally, I think we should just trust the wisdom of the voters, but that's not what the Cons ution envisioned. President Schwarzenegger has a nice ring to it.

I actually think we should abide by the law. That's what Obama did.

[FromWayDowntown]

But I'm also saying that it's not an irrelevant or stupid question--if there's a legitimate reason to doubt his place of birth, then it's an issue. Just as age or residency or citizenship are issues, too, when it comes to presidential qualifications.

You're absolutely right -- if there was a legitimate question.

But it will take something other than a slew of frivolous lawsuits to convince me that there's a legitimate question about whether Obama (or anyone else for that matter) meets the basic qualifications to be President.

whottt seems to think that just because the question is raised repeatedly, it's legitimate. That strikes me as being a bit like requiring someone to prove that the Earth is round just because a number of people contend that the Earth is flat.

[Spurminator]

worst Spurminator post ever. You really think that's why it's not in the news?

It's not even in the CONSERVATIVE news. Aside from fringe blogs and sites this is not getting any play.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...th+certificate

Look at the websites and the dates.




And I've had several posts worse than that one.

[whottt]

You're absolutely right -- if there was a legitimate question.

But it will take something other than a slew of frivolous lawsuits to convince me that there's a legitimate question about whether Obama (or anyone else for that matter) meets the basic qualifications to be President.

whottt seems to think that just because the question is raised repeatedly, it's legitimate. That strikes me as being a bit like requiring someone to prove that the Earth is round just because a number of people contend that the Earth is flat.

It's funny how you guys defend this as some act of principle...yet Obama showed it to several websites...your principle argument is crap.


He seems willing to show it to anyone but the courts...that is the perception.


As for why this all came about...allegedly his own Kenyan Grandmother and siblings seem to recall being present at his birth in Kenya.



Bottomline....if you think these cases being dismissed with Obama refusing to show his birth certificate is a positive for Obama you evidentally don't understand American politics.

[whottt]

There's going to be a protest at the Supreme Court concerning this issue...there is also a pe ion to pursue action against Obama on this issue in all 50 states...

If you guys think this is getting smaller, you're frankly being stupid...lots of people don't like Obama...this is just ammunition for them once they get wind of it.


It was stupid for him to not just show it...


I know I know...how dare a President be accountable to US citizens when he's so obvioulsyabove them...I got your message pages ago.

And you wonder why we call you elitists.

[MannyIsGod]

There's no perception because there is only dead air. You can continue to claim it a news story but its simply not and no amount of posts by you claiming it to be so will change that. Find me the footage of a news show covering it recently please.

[whottt]

It's begun to make the ticker on Fox News. I don't have a screen cap.

If an appeal to the Supreme Court on a case concerning the citizenship of a US Presidential Candidate doesn't make the news...we all need to be concerned.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL Fox News ticker. Watch out now!

[whottt]

It's not even in the CONSERVATIVE news. Aside from fringe blogs and sites this is not getting any play.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...th+certificate

Look at the websites and the dates.




And I've had several posts worse than that one.

The reason the majority of the media outlets aren't touching it is because they generally bury any thing negative towards Obama...

The reason Fox isn't touching it is because they don't want to be the Cable equivalent of the National Enquirer and be the only one covering it and then Obama produces his birth certificate.


Basically it's pretty obvious that these are trumped up allegations...I myself have admitted as much. It's obvious what Berg's intent is...

Or at least it was...until Obama began acting increasingly su ious about it.


The only reason this thing has legs is because of Obama himself...and it's getting more and more legs the longer he attempts to get the case thrown out and pass Fact Check.org off as a the last word in legal authentication.