Well, Im sure we'll see plenty of him over the season to draw conclusions. We're a bit out of luck right now too. I look back at these two games and I remember Grant Hill hitting a lucky trey at the end of the 3rd quarter, and another one today from Roy. Any of those not going in and it's a game changer. If we have to go through this rough patch, I rather go through it now and not later in the season.
Mason was already under contract, so it's not remotely the same situation. Tolliver was a traning camp invite, and is a Spur only because of the threes he hit in summer league, because all the hustle in the world doesn't mean much if you can't draw iron on half your shots.
Roger really ed up there at the end of the first half, and that three ended up hurting as much as the one Hill banked in.
I would argue that trying to sign Pargo, and giving Salim an opportunity, was a sign that he didn't believe Hill could carry that kind of load. Don't get me wrong...I am still a Spurs fan and would love to see Hill upgrade our backup PG position enough to win us some games. I just call it like I see it...we shall see.
BTW, thanks for making your points in a respectful manner and not resorting to name calling to argue your point...it's a refresing change of pace.
Well, Tolliver was/is under contract as well.
What I meant by the comparison is that because he had a crummy preseason doesn't mean he'll play the same way in the regular season.
I think there's a reason besides the great shooting in the summer league that has kept him a Spur.
FYI, MJ, check your PMs.
I suck at the business part of basketball, but if he had one, I don't think he had a guaranteed contract when he was invited to camp. I even think there was a deadline for cutting camp players and not being out any additional money. The Spurs committed every penny of Mason's contract to him before he ever dribbled a ball in their gym. The level of commitment is all I'm talking about.
Oh, and nobody hopes that's true more than I do. Roger at least looked like an NBA player. He was reluctant to shoot but he handled the ball well, and he was pretty good in the final preseason game. Tolliver wasn't much of a shooter, defender or rebounder in the preseason, so I absolutely hope he shows more when he comes back. I just hope he's active for most of the games; at this point I'm not even optimistic about that.
Well if you ever find out what it is I'd love to hear about it.
I'd say that some of that is true. Getting guys like Farmer and Green and Salim was an attempt to get some scorers, particularly after Hill looked pretty abysmal in summer league. That said, we all knew Hill was a big time scorer and figured as long as he played defense and ran the team well he was going to have a chance, particularly once his shot came back. From the way Hill played in preseason and from what Pop has said about his job, it's not a great leap to suggest that Pop values him so highly that he doesn't want to put him out there with a splint on his hand and still risk having him reinjured.
To this moment his contract is still non-guaranteed. It becomes guaranteed at a certain point, which I forget.
But once he was signed, he was signed.
So they still aren't committed to him the way they are to Mason.
OMG...put on ESPN now!
Had they run some plays for Mason, and had Mason as well been more agressive in the first half, this is a totally different ball game.
Mason has got to be more selfish with the basketball, but I like where his head is at.
They're re-running the game.
I see now... I don't feel like watching the Spurs lose again.
Has Duncan blocked one shot this season and pre-season?
SPURS HAD zero BLOCKS
And damn:
TD & TP are playing 40 minutes per game at the begining of a season.
Not fricking good!
I think Tony can handle it, but I agree with you on Tim not be a 35+ min guy anymore.
You must have missed the part where Oberto and Tolliver were not playing in the first two games.
Exactly. It's almost like Pop has a deliberate aversion to young, athletic players. Ian is the very first draft choice that's was developed here since 2001 (Tony Parker). Absolutely atrocious.
and you idiot?
you watch last game against our team in the third quarter when the spurs couldn't score and how fabi and udoka saved your ass in that quarter?
you watch fabi's work against hornets? even the hornets coach was really high on his work ...the only bigmen in your team who can pass the ball to duncan and gives him easy basket and you pberto lazzy, panzy, a lot of s...?
you watch the assist of the night spurs 2008 playoffs?
fabi's injured and you talks craps? you're a dumbass.
the spurs fan hate fabi? ok. bring us oberto. amare shaq oberto. it sounds good!
I think this is where we could've used Barry.
We need a playmaker out there. Parker's not one, Manu's injured.. seriously we don't have one that can run around the floor and make plays.
Barry is a playmaker, and Parker isn't?
Parker is coming off a game where he scored or assisted on at least 46 Spurs points, and he's not a playmaker? WTF?
Sorry for necroing this post, but something occurred to me and I thought I'd mention it. Hairston was so good that Pop waited until the absolute last second to cut him, so that the other teams were set in their rosters and couldn't claim him. That was deliberate. You don't believe that he'd still be sitting out there if he'd been the first cut, do you?
In bdict's world it is perfectly logical. Fortunately, none of us live in that world.
Parker is coming off a game where he scored or assisted on at least 46 Spurs points, and he's not a playmaker? WTF?
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