Palin is in idiot. Plain and simple. Why is that so hard to accept?
How is she more of an "idiot" (as you define it) than the Messiah ?
is this a serious question?
she is more of an idiot that the Messiah's gardener
That has to be the dumbest thing ive read in my entire life. McCain request zero earmarks as a senator, proposes a spending freeze that Obama calls "using a hatchet when u need a scalpel" in three different debates, yet you believe that McCain and not Obama is the one that will spend us into bankruptcy?
Obama supporters have to be the dumbest people on the planet.
I dont like Palin because she was never vetted by her own party, much less the media.
I dont like Palin because shes a lacky who gets by on her folksy speech pattern and her incessant pandering to the "redneck in you".
I dont like Palin because she preaches, in no uncertain terms, about division in America. She wants to categorize you as "Us" and me as "Them". You as pro-America, me as anti-America. You as Patriotic, me as Treasonous. While you have Obama being as all-inclusive as possible (unless you make over $250k... , someone has to get the shaft, guess its me this time).
I dont like Palin because she hasnt ever even shown a prior interest in foreign affairs before she was selected as the RNC VP.
I dont like Palin because it took her 6 colleges to get a bachelor's degree. Her stick-to-it-iveness is severly lacking.
I dont like Palin because she tries to qualify herself as an executive because she is governor of Alaska. Newsflash: The Mayor of Chicago oversees almost 5x (4.6x to be exact) more people than the governor of Alaska does. She is a first term governor of a state that receives more money in Federal funds than it contributes by the widest margin per capita in the entire United States! I'm sorry, you are not a proven executive when the deck is stacked for you to succeed.
I dont like Palin because she has such a minimal amount of intellectual curiosity. Honestly, I think before she was VP, I knew more about the world than she does/did. Thats scary friend, because there are people on this forum who make me look like an elementary student when it comes to foreign affairs. None of us are in line to be VP.
I dont like Palin because she would be the penultimate puppet for whatever interest group inside the Republican Party got her nominated in the first ing place. McCain wanted Lieberman or (damnit, can never remember this guy's name) the-governor-from-Alabama-or-Arkansas, but yet he somehow....magically picked Palin after meeting her twice previously. Bull . He was "strongly encouraged" to pick Palin by either 1) the senior Republican Leadership or 2) a secretive coalition of powers that can influence the Republican Leadership to "strongly encourage" Palin as VP pick. Either way, someone not named John McCain wanted Palin as VP....to the oldest potential President-elect in the history of the US.
Palin the VP who has 1) little to no interest in the world outside Wasilla, 2) little to no working knowledge of the Federal government besides what she read in whatever-the- -she-reads magazine, 3) little problem with dividing the country based on patriotism and American...-ism.
But worst of all, Palin the Vice President would owe someone or some group a HUGE debt of gra ude. She went from Ms Alaska, to mayor of Podunk, Nowhere to Governor of Alaska to Vice President of the United States.
One of those is not like the other.
I think Palin represents everything thats wrong with modern politics. A cute smile, a "dontchaknow" here with a "you betcha" there, and you automatically have 40% of the electorate in your corner. She has never been vetted, she still hasnt been vetted and McCain has the highest possible chance of dying in office that I can remember.
Palin, as VP or God forbid, as President would be a puppet for whomever she owes for her rapid ascension, and she is far too dumb and uninterested to know the damn difference.
Palin represents everything that is wrong with our country on soooo many levels. She does and represents nothing to a vast majority of people in this country. She appeals to hardcore Republicans, religious zealots and lonely older males. Period.
No offense, but I detest partisanship, I am no man of an organized God and I dont vote with my penis. Guess I'm un-American.
Who cares if she was vetted by a bias media ? Why does that matter?
she appeals to middle america so what ? Obama doesn't do the same with his " I dont look like the other presidents" comments ?
Obama preaches division too - along racial and economic lines. All of them preach division.
What interest did Obama have in foreign affairs - to your knowledge - before he threw his hat in the ring for the presidency with his 129 " Present" votes ? I can't remember who called him a chickens---- ,, but the shoe definitely fits.
Who cares how many colleges she attended before she got her bachelors degree. She got it done.
Obama tries to qualify himself as an executive because he organized communities - and that is okay with you ? She was a Mayor and a Governor - meaning she was CEO of a town and a state - she was an executive.
Palin is a puppet and yet there are several - maybe yourself included - - who have called her ROGUE on here... ?? You can't have it both ways. Either she is a pupper or she is rogue .. which will it be ? The same can be said of Obama - only it will actually fit .. He is a puppet for the FAR LEFT - Acorn - William Ayers - Soros funded groups - he is a puppet.
Obama went from Community organizer to the Senate- - all with help from several groups ACORN , etc... who he owes a HUGE debt too.
I am not a hardcore republican ( A conservative and registered independent) , religious zealot ( I believe in and worship God but I also believe everyone is free to worship who, how, when, where and whom they choose to - or choose not to) , or a lonely older male... nor do I vote with my genitals. She sure as appeals to me.
Implacable laying down the OWANGE on ppl too ignorant to realize it!
Nice post.....as usual.
Palin is the stupidest person to ever run for an office this high, and it's an insult to America for McCain to pick such a moron. The only things Palin have going for her are sex appeal and the church to hide behind. Palin is one of the main reasons McCain's campaign has gone to this last month, and if the Republicans try to throw her or someone like her out in 2012, they're going to kill their own party. Palin is another Bush, and America most certainly does not want that.
Last edited by baseline bum; 11-04-2008 at 03:03 PM.
Given that Palin isn't at the top of the ticket, it's actually quite feasible to think that she's a rogue with respect to the McCain campaign -- at least occasionally going off script and avowing positions that vary with McCain's -- and yet remain susceptible of being a puppet to those who have philosophical differences with McCain. I'm not sure that rogue and puppet are entirely binary choices.
There's little doubt to me that the faction of the Republican party that earnestly supports McCain is different than the faction of that party that earnestly supports Palin. I'm oversimplifying, to be sure, but there is a big split among Republicans, from what I've seen, between those who are ardently socially conservative and those who are more socially moderate. And there's little doubt (to me anyway) that, at bottom, McCain and Palin are not in the same camp on those issues. And I think it's completely realistic to perceive that Palin (and/or those who've seen to it that she is where she is) are interested in pressing their view of those issues as this campaign winds down.
In that way, she can be both a rogue and a puppet.
Last edited by FromWayDowntown; 11-04-2008 at 03:10 PM.
This might be among the best thought-out criticisms of Palin that I've read here or elsewhere. I think Palin's lack of intellectual curiosity (which seems evident in her manner -- to say nothing of the overt distaste for intellectuals) and her willingness to essentially blame others for her failings (screeds about the biased media after she objectively fell on her face with Couric) are troubling.
I'll admit, as well, to being philosophically at odds with Palin on almost everything (from what I can discern of her political and philosophical moorings) and would not vote for her on that basis alone, even if she all of her many non-political faults didn't exist.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxto...candidates.cfm
From the full report:
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that the federal budget will run a ulative deficit of $2.3 trillion over the 2009-2018 period under current law (see Summary Table 1). If federal spending evolves as CBO predicts, the proposed tax cuts would add to those deficits and substantially increase the national debt. Senator Obama’s plan as described by his economic advisers would increase the ten-year ulative deficit by about $3.6 trillion to $5.9 trillion; Senator McCain’s plan would boost it by $5.1 trillion to nearly $7.4 trillion. Adding to their plans proposals made in stump speeches but not confirmed by campaign advisors would lower the ulative deficit over the decade slightly to $5.4 trillion for Obama and raise it to almost $11 trillion for McCain. Beyond this, the health proposals and campaign promises not in the official descriptions could increase the costs still further.
the stupidest? Really ? Jimmy Carter ? Hoover ? Jessie Jackson ran for office remember ? Really ??
It is amazing to me FWDT that you can believe this way and yet think Obama is free from such "debts" that he is not being guided by anyone. amazing.
You know, I never said anything about Obama, good or bad. You absurdly assume things that I've not said.
My sole point dealt with your nonsensical question in the context of Palin. That's all.
The Palin pick was a cynical testament to Republican leadership's low opinion of the intelligence of their party loyalists, and Palin's popularity among many of those loyalists is evidence that they're correct to have that opinion, with a few fortunate exceptions.
Of course, Democrats rallied around Kerry in 2004 only to bemoan his nomination and his weakness as a candidate after he lost, so perhaps we'll see the same with Palin.
You're actually championing the spending freeze? Seriously?
nonsensical ? so you pretend to ASSume that these "people" behind the Palin pick had that much influence over the MAverick guy that she got the nod over others he wanted. That they had him so much in their corner that he listened and obeyed them - yet at the same time - they instruct her to be a rogue and come up with different talking points than McCain who "they" had so much influence over when they VP choice was made ? Interesting....
Well lets be fair -- do you think Obama is being run by some "group" or "organization" and that he will owe debts and favors to if elected ?
"low opinion of the intelligence of their party loyalists"? Yeah - next time you see a Mccain voter talking about McCain paying her mortgage and her gas and taking care of everything for her -- let me know.....
That doesn't make a shred of sense as a response to what I posted.
It would be absurd to think that any politician isn't beholden to someone.
The Palin pick was also a testament to Republican leadership's low opinion of the intelligence of women and Palin's falling popularity among many of them is evidence that they're wrong to have THAT opinion.
Carter was fairly inept as a president, but I would hardly call him stupid, especially with regard to national affairs.
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