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    I'm especially loving his body control. The way he can contort himself and still finish. I don't remember seeing that skill during summer league. Dude is fearless in that he took it right at Yao. Not once, did he get his shot blocked either. Might have surprised the big fella a bit.
    The kid is definitely fearless and a tough son to boot.

    Summer league to me was nothing more than "paralysis by analysis."

    When he gets the Spurs' system down, and it becomes second nature to him, a lot of doubters are going to be pleasantly suprised.

    Here's to "Havoc" Hill.

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    OK. Bring me up to speed. What did my man Hairston do to Yao in the preseason?
    Performed a nut dunk on Yao, but from a flatfooted position. He probably has a poster of it in his room. Now Hill will need 3(or at least 2, how many times did he finish against Yao?).

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    Beno didn't belong on this team.
    If you're such a big fan, why can't you just be happy that he's found a place where he DOES belong?
    Why focus on the past?
    Because this front office is and I'm sick of it. Do you know what they got in return for Beno? A second round draft pick. LOL A SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICK!!!! </Tommy Heinsohn>

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    OK. Bring me up to speed. What did my man Hairston do to Yao in the preseason?
    He put a two handed dunk (basically from a stand still) right into Yao's grill!

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    Because this front office is and I'm sick of it.
    I'm done.

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    ya.. im in disbelief of this fool.. just wow... beno's sack is so far down his throat.. I hope george gets the chance to thrash that scrub

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    Because this front office is and I'm sick of it. Do you know what they got in return for Beno? A second round draft pick. LOL A SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICK!!!! </Tommy Heinsohn>
    im convinced your not a spurs fan.

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    ya.. im in disbelief of this fool.. just wow... beno's sack is so far down his throat.. I hope george gets the chance to thrash that scrub
    George Hill, Efficiency Rating 6.60. Sorry, but he hasn't been able to 'thrash' Sebastian Telfair, let alone Beno Udrih.

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    ya.. im in disbelief of this fool.. just wow... beno's sack is so far down his throat.. I hope george gets the chance to thrash that scrub
    He will tomo at 8/7 central.

    And if Beno schools him, then he can brag about beating an NBA player in his 6th game.

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    im convinced your not a spurs fan.
    I didn't sleep for 2 days after the Spurs lost to the Mavericks in game 7.

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    What Popo fails to realize, some players just aren't great defenders. It isn't like you can just give effort and you'll suddenly become a great defender. And if I was Beno, not only would I have bad-mouthed Popo while I was here for not playing me, but right now I would be shooting talk back to Popo being a starting point guard on a team with more wins than his club.


    And that increased playing time stat you just threw out there did just that. It showed that if given the opportunity, he will produce.



    Except comparing player to player wasn't my argument, it was team related. And if you want to go deeper into it, individually, George Hill currently has an efficiency rating of 6, which is down right terrible. Beno's is almost twice as high. Try again.


    I'm not complaining, simply showing evidence that Hill did not have the great game everyone here seems to think he had. If you're the starting point guard, and your team only scores 77 points, sorry... you didn't have a great game. Not to mention his numbers weren't all that impressive to begin with.
    Are you sure your name isn't WhiteSupremacist? The two players you seem to be sticking up for today are both white. I don't know if that's a coincidence or not?

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    He will tomo at 8/7 central.

    And if Beno schools him, then he can brag about beating an NBA player in his 6th game.
    I won't brag about anything, because one game doesn't mean much, and players can have bad games.

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    Are you sure your name isn't WhiteSupremist? The two players you seem to be sticking up for today are both white. I don't know if that's a coincidence or not?
    Tim Duncan is my favorite player.

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    I didn't sleep for 2 days after the Spurs lost to the Mavericks in game 7.
    then you also enjoyed our 4 championships, yes? the league does not revolve around us, there are 29 other front offices competing for that same championship. its impossible for us to be the only team improving every year, you have to take the good with bad.

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    then you also enjoyed our 4 championships, yes? the league does not revolve around us, there are 29 other front offices competing for that same championship. its impossible for us to be the only team improving every year, you have to take the good with bad.
    I enjoyed them. Do I think there should have been more, without being a homer whatsoever? Absolutely.

    I agree you have to take the good with the bad. However, there has only been bad and no good. Sorry, signing Roger Mason as the only 'major' addition the past 3 years doesn't cut it. No way in .

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    What Popo fails to realize, some players just aren't great defenders. It isn't like you can just give effort and you'll suddenly become a great defender.
    Well they certainly waited long enough to determine that Beno wasn't going to give any effort.

    And if I was Beno, not only would I have bad-mouthed Popo while I was here for not playing me, but right now I would be shooting talk back to Popo being a starting point guard on a team with more wins than his club.
    Yes, being 4-6 is something I'm sure Beno's proud of.

    And that increased playing time stat you just threw out there did just that. It showed that if given the opportunity, he will produce.
    I'm not sure if you just don't bother to read my posts or what, but let me say it again: Nobody ever questioned whether or not he could put up numbers; his stats per 48 haven't changed from SA to Sacramento as far as I know. If given the opportunity, he'll produce everything but a winning record. If he just can't play defense, as you stated above, then why would the Spurs want him anyway?

    Except comparing player to player wasn't my argument, it was team related. And if you want to go deeper into it, individually, George Hill currently has an efficiency rating of 6, which is down right terrible. Beno's is almost twice as high. Try again.
    So you start off the above post saying your argument was team related and then you go into individual stats. George has a higher winning percentage as a starter. Beno has a losing record as a starter in Sacramento. Next.

    I'm not complaining, simply showing evidence that Hill did not have the great game everyone here seems to think he had. If you're the starting point guard, and your team only scores 77 points, sorry... you didn't have a great game. Not to mention his numbers weren't all that impressive to begin with.
    Hill shot 62 percent on the night and had 17 points, 5 assists, 6 rebounds, 0 turnovers in 36 minutes and won in regulation. Beno shot 44 percent and had 18 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 turnovers in 41 minutes and his team lost in overtime. Hill was starting the fifth game of his career against the Rockets on the second night of a back to back. Beno was starting his 66th game against the Suns without Steve Nash on two days rest. Obviously your definition of "impressive" needs some work.

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    He will tomo at 8/7 central.

    And if Beno schools him, then he can brag about beating an NBA player in his 6th game.
    Since Beno just got done losing to a point guard starting his first NBA game, that should make him feel good.

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    I enjoyed them. Do I think there should have been more, without being a homer whatsoever? Absolutely.

    I agree you have to take the good with the bad. However, there has only been bad and no good. Sorry, signing Roger Mason as the only 'major' addition the past 3 years doesn't cut it. No way in .
    i like that you want everything to be perfect, be try to be more realistic, you'll be less stressed.

    also i want to say this, you make it sound like the spurs didnt go out and try and improve this team. the spurs tried and they tried hard. but like i said, there are 29 other frontoffices trying to improve their teams too.

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    Well they certainly waited long enough to determine that Beno wasn't going to give any effort.
    Waited long enough? How is that, when he wasn't getting any consistent playing time? lol Makes no sense.


    Yes, being 4-6 is something I'm sure Beno's proud of.
    I would be, with that team.

    I'm not sure if you just don't bother to read my posts or what, but let me say it again: Nobody ever questioned whether or not he could put up numbers; his stats per 48 haven't changed from SA to Sacramento as far as I know. If given the opportunity, he'll produce everything but a winning record. If he just can't play defense, as you stated above, then why would the Spurs want him anyway?
    Why would they want Barry then? Or Finley? Neither of them could play defense, yet they both got more playing time than Beno. And to answer your question more directly, for Beno's offensive skills. Clearly this team cannot score for .


    So you start off the above post saying your argument was team related and then you go into individual stats. George has a higher winning percentage as a starter. Beno has a losing record as a starter in Sacramento. Next.
    That's like saying "Rondo had a better record than Tony Parker last season, so he is better.". Again, it just doesn't make sense... at all. lol

    Hill shot 62 percent on the night and had 17 points, 5 assists, 6 rebounds, 0 turnovers in 36 minutes and won in regulation.
    That's fine. The fact of the matter is, his team scored 77 points with him as the starting point guard.

    Beno shot 44 percent and had 18 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 turnovers in 41 minutes and his team lost in overtime.
    I'm not sure why you're highlighting overtime and regulation, like it adds a ton of minutes to the equation. lol

    Hill was starting the fifth game of his career against the Rockets on the second night of a back to back.
    Again, not really sure why you would add "second night of a back to back" when it's about 8 games into the season and he is about 20-years-old.

    Beno was starting his 66th game against the Suns without Steve Nash on two days rest. Obviously your definition of "impressive" needs some work.
    The Rockets were also without their starting point guard.

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    I enjoyed them. Do I think there should have been more, without being a homer whatsoever? Absolutely.

    I agree you have to take the good with the bad. However, there has only been bad and no good. Sorry, signing Roger Mason as the only 'major' addition the past 3 years doesn't cut it. No way in .
    Yeah, 4 les in 10 years really blows.

    I mean, . Why can't we be the Chicago Bulls or the Boston Celtics? Why is our Front Office so incredibly incompetent that they can't completely dominate a league of 29 other organizations spending millions of dollars to do the same thing?

    Why? Because .4, the Dirk Foul, and Manu's Ankle happened. And those are all things the front office couldn't control.

    But yeah, it really sucks to be a Spurs fan, and I'm sure you could run things better.

    ing ingrates.

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    i like that you want everything to be perfect, be try to be more realistic, you'll be less stressed.

    also i want to say this, you make it sound like the spurs didnt go out and try and improve this team. the spurs tried and they tried hard. but like i said, there are 29 other frontoffices trying to improve their teams too.
    OK, but how do you know that they tried hard? Have you been there for the negotiations? Of course, you could use the very same argument and flip it back at me. The difference is, I have results to back my su ions. That's what it boils down to. If you don't get things done, obviously you weren't trying hard enough.

    Are you telling me the Spurs couldn't have packaged together a better deal for Artest than what the Rockets gave up? And by the way, this is just one example, I could list off many other front office -ups.

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    Yeah, 4 les in 10 years really blows.
    When you should have more, yes, it does.
    Why? Because .4, the Dirk Foul, and Manu's Ankle happened. And those are all things the front office couldn't control.
    You can control getting outcoached by a rookie head coach. You can control inserting Michael Finley into the power forward spot for the FIRST TIME THE ENTIRE YEAR.

    But yeah, it really sucks to be a Spurs fan, and I'm sure you could run things better.
    Oh, I have no question I could run things better. Absolutely no doubt in my mind, whatsoever.

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    Oh, I have no question I could run things better. Absolutely no doubt in my mind, whatsoever.
    Sounds like you better fill out an app there, fella.

    They'll call if a position is available.

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    If you don't get things done, obviously you weren't trying hard enough.
    that would be a logical fallacy. if thats what you are basing things on, no need for any of this to continue.

    Oh, I have no question I could run things better. Absolutely no doubt in my mind, whatsoever.
    and now theres REALLY no reason for this to continue...

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    You can control getting outcoached by a rookie head coach. You can control inserting Michael Finley into the power forward spot for the FIRST TIME THE ENTIRE YEAR.
    Oh, and Pop played the Small Ball card well before the 2006 WCF, so you only halfway addressed one of my three arguments. But once again, I'm pretty sure Pop didn't tell Manu to foul Dirk.

    And I'm really sure Avery didn't tell Dirk to get fouled, either.

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