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Beno always ups his game against the Spurs, he's even played well against TP.
I would have actually expected Beno to have done better than he did last night......
but he still sucks.
Beno Udrih, great example of a European player who was in the doghouse. Yeah he complained and whined a bunch but he finally got his chance in Sac town. Look at Beno now. This is exactly what V-Span should have done. If he had only waited out JVG's firing and played for Adleman he would have been fine. he would have been fine if he would have just stayed and played for the Spurs.
Beno always ups his game against the Spurs, he's even played well against TP.
I would have actually expected Beno to have done better than he did last night......
but he still sucks.
Beno is soft , has a low BBall IQ, and is a poor defender. He has been in the NBA for 5 yrs and should be able to get over on a rookie, we will see how well he does next time he plays us.
Beno -- come back!! You're our savior!
Holy , SS makes this thread in no clearer forms than to put down Hill and finish the oral favors on Beno he's been performing the last few days.
Sadly, he just spotlighted the fact that 33 tears old, third string point guard Jacque Vaughn out performed Beno.
In 23 minutes Vaughn had 10 pts and 6 asts with a +/- of plus 8.
Like stated before, Beno in 35 minutes had 16 pts and 5 asts with a +/- of plus 6.
I know SS had his heart set on making a rookie look bad but in the end his lover was outplayed by JACQUE VAUGHN.
Exactly. This is why Pop let Beno go. He couldn't defend against the opponent's 3rd string point guard, and as a result his team, which he is supposed to lead, lost the game. As usual, Beno won a battle (against Hill), but lost the war.
Feels good to be right.
Hill's line: 4 points (2-7FG, 0-0FT), 3 assists, 2 rebounds, 0 steals, 2 turnovers... pulled out of the game because Beno was doing him and he couldn't do anything to him on offense. -8 +/-. He'll be lucky if Jacque Vaughn doesn't start next game.
Beno's line: 16 points (5-11FG, 6-6FT), 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 5 turnovers. +6 +/-.
Anyone thinking Hill was on Beno's level should pretty much be silenced now. Now, I understand you can have a bad game, but if you actually saw the game... it was apparent Hill couldn't guard him, and Hill couldn't do anything to him on offense. Like I said previously, you could build a mansion with the bricks Hill puts up.
I also just want to pause and laugh out loud for a moment at one poster who said Hill was going to give Beno a "thrashing". Looks like the 'thrasher' got 'thrashed', eh? Beno was getting wherever he wanted on the court, and pulling up in his face any time he wanted. Am I surprised? Well... not really.
Bonner, have to add, was ballin... yet again. 11 points (3-5 3PT), 7 boards, an assist and 2 steals. +5 +/-. Nothing surprising here.
Are you still here?
You were going on and on the other night because he finished with 30 points.
Last night, he finished with 16 points. What happened to the other 14?
Hill is changing positions. THAT'S why Pop has more patience with him.
There are a quite a few guys who can put up numbers on bad teams (even bad teams are going to score 90 ppg - and somebody's got to score those points), but struggle to fill a role on a contender.
Beno was given every chance to win the back-up PG job in 2 out of his 3 years here (2006 was an admitted debacle) - and he failed...especially in year 3.
Beno's never going to be the PG for a contender. But if you're looking for a 9th or 10th place squad, he's a nice piece to build around.
I watched the game. Most of Beno's rebounds were the ricochet from long, ill-advised shots that just went over the head of everyone else. I could have got those boards had I been standing there.
Four assists? Four assists for a starting point-guard? Vaughn could average 5-6 if he had similar minutes, and I hate Vaughn.
FIVE turnovers. Wow, a negative A-T ratio. You're right, Beno is SO UTTERLY AWESOME!
Take the FTs away from him, and you're left with a 10 point, negative A-T ratio, starting point guard performance. Stellar. And he's doing this against the scrubs of the Spurs guardplay. Our best PG and SG are sidelined, and this is the statline Beno puts up? I'm glad he's not a Spur. How many teams out there would be spooging themselves like you are over a starting point who coughs it up more than he dishes it?
SS=Beno's older brother.....haha. I think Pop was resting hill last night because he is going to have to guard Baron Davis all night tonight.
I also think that Pop has more patience with Hill because the dude plays his guts out, even if he's not successful. Pop gets on Hill, I'm sure, but I also suspect that Pop has a fair amount of respect for the guy because he does play hard.
I'm not sure you could ever say the same for Beno, even when he was successful.
The OP is probably reconsidering posting this thread because his "observations" are getting torn apart and it doesn't look like anyone else is wishing Beno was still here.
Nail on the head K-State. Besides, Beno would not be here in 2008 anyway with his rookie deal expiring last year. He would have left SA because he will never be in the same tier as Tony Parker, who is the same age with so many more skins on the wall in his career.
Beno's only chance to be nothing more than a fill in in SA was for Tony Parker to bolt SA when his rookie deal ran out. TP got his money and closed the book on Beno.
When Detroit exposed Beno in 2005, he never really recovered.
Mental toughness is needed to play for SA. Beno did not have it.
George Hill will play hard all the time and will play hurt in SA. BU could do neither in SA. Case closed.
dude beno got 16 points, had trouble with the full court press and played better than a rook. If hill is only better because he is athletic, then the upside is much better than beno's. Looks like it took the team letting beno go for him to decide that practice is important and lets see which one gets farther in the playoffs and which one is playing better in april instead of comparing them in november.
Hill has less experience but he'll be better by the end.
Beno shoots and moves the ball well. Hill isn't as good in that area but will be better in most other areas - driving, rebounding, defending, ball handling, help defending, and most likely scoring. Beno is a better shooter but could never take it in against the trees like Hill did against Yao, which is why I think Hill will be a better scorer in the end, and his jumper will improve and actually isn't as bad as some have claimed.
I can't believe I'm responding to the idiocy of this thread.
Beno's first 7 games as a Spur vs. Hill's first 7:
Beno:
9/25 FG, 4/9 3Pt, 5/6 FT, 3 Reb, 7 Ast, 6 Stl, 6 TO, 0 Blk, 27 pts
Hill:
21/51 FG, 3/9 3Pt, 11/16 FT, 20 Reb, 18 Ast, 3 Stl, 6 TO, 2 Blk, 56 pts
George didn't play with the fire and aggressiveness he did against houston... pop needs to chew him out.. tell him to get to the bucket ... end of story
I don't know where people are getting the idea that Hill is a good defender. He has long arms so he gets a block every once and a while but he can't stay in front of his man and anytime a shooter sees him they drop a dime in his face.
As for Bonner, he is a shooter so he's got to make shots. Simple as that. He did yesterday and it helped put us over the edge.
jacque vaughn most certainly outplayed him, both when they were competing for the back up PG spot in san antonio and on the court last night.
negative a/to ratio? virtually identical TS% (beno 57%, vaughn 56%)? lower +/-? yeah, vaughn outplayed him easily.
and what's beno excuse for being a worse defender than vaughn? its not athleticism or length. its focus and toughness. thats four things beno doesnt have.
he's a good shooter and a good passer though.
I hope you're not serious... because if you are... you're an idiot. Anything you say from here on out has absolutely no credibility.
Eh they're two different kinds of guards IMO.
Hill reminds me of the Delonte West type. Regardless of size, can fit the mold of a 1 or 2. Lengthy and athletic. Does a little bit of everthing on both ends. Not going to be the offensive cog, but isn't incapable of scoring when need be.
Udrih reminds me more of a Carlos Arroyo type (for lack of a better example). Will do ok offensively if anything. Won't have a problem setting others up through his own offensive production, but will also log alot of turnovers. Can slash and shoot well enough to get in double digits on most nights.
We haven't even seen him alot, but I already prefer George Hill. At the end of the day, I just get the feeling he'll bring more "intagibles" to the table for a contending team. Seems like a very active, and commited, player. Something we didn't always see from Beno (as a Spur), and that's really all that mattered. I'm glad Beno is playing well in Sacramento, but I'm not exactly sold on him being an exceptional player yet.
Stats don't lie.
90-88. 3-1 as a starter.
Of course I'm glad we got rid of Beno. Besides, he probably doesn't even get those shots if Sacramento has there two best players suited up.
Beno's got loads of talent. Let's see how far that takes the Kings.
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