Beno balls on Hill and Bonner is just ballin.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Beno is a decent player and thrives in an environment where there really is no pressure to win and earn minutes.

He simply could not handle the pressure that comes along with being on a team that competes for a championship year in and year out. He will thrive in Sacramento as long as they are satisfied with medicore W/L records, and fighting for 8th seeds. If they ever become serious about winning, he will his pants.

[Pero]

I can't believe I'm responding to the idiocy of this thread.
Beno's first 7 games as a Spur vs. Hill's first 7:

Beno:
9/25 FG, 4/9 3Pt, 5/6 FT, 3 Reb, 7 Ast, 6 Stl, 6 TO, 0 Blk, 27 pts

Hill:
21/51 FG, 3/9 3Pt, 11/16 FT, 20 Reb, 18 Ast, 3 Stl, 6 TO, 2 Blk, 56 pts

I can't believe I'm going to reply to the idiocy of this post. Of course Hill has more rebounds, assists, pts etc... Because he has PLAYED MORE MINUTES as Tony Parker has been OUT for 4 games. If Parker were starting there is no way Hill gets these numbers.

I guess people have forgotten how Beno played in his rookie season because of his problems in the finals. And even that was in his ROOKIE season against the other best defensive team in the NBA at the time and two good defenders....

He was rookie of the month once, got to the rookie all-star game, some were saying he's better than Parker, I think he was even compared to Stockton (except for his defense haha) and Nash. Who is Hill compared to? Nobody, except maybe Beno freaking Udrih.

First game Hill started for the Spurs he had 12 pts/5 rb/1 ast , first game Beno started for the Spurs he had something like 25/5/5.

And he's doing this against the scrubs of the Spurs guardplay. Our best PG and SG are sidelined, and this is the statline Beno puts up? I'm glad he's not a Spur.

Yeah, that Parker fellow is a scrub that Beno scored 27 points on last year, Baron Davis is a nobody also.

He never shot the ball with any consistency and seemed tentative.

Beno 1st season: FG%:.444 3PT%: .408 FT%: .753
Hill 1st season: FG%:.412 3PT%: .333 FT%: .688


I'm no Beno homer, but really you guys are being a little ridiculous here.

[romad_20]

I can't believe I'm going to reply to the idiocy of this post. Of course Hill has more rebounds, assists, pts etc... Because he has PLAYED MORE MINUTES as Tony Parker has been OUT for 4 games. If Parker were starting there is no way Hill gets these numbers.

I guess people have forgotten how Beno played in his rookie season because of his problems in the finals. And even that was in his ROOKIE season against the other best defensive team in the NBA at the time and two good defenders....

He was rookie of the month once, got to the rookie all-star game, some were saying he's better than Parker, I think he was even compared to Stockton (except for his defense haha) and Nash. Who is Hill compared to? Nobody, except maybe Beno freaking Udrih.

First game Hill started for the Spurs he had 12 pts/5 rb/1 ast , first game Beno started for the Spurs he had something like 25/5/5.



Yeah, that Parker fellow is a scrub that Beno scored 27 points on last year, Baron Davis is a nobody also.




Beno 1st season: FG%:.444 3PT%: .408 FT%: .753
Hill 1st season: FG%:.412 3PT%: .333 FT%: .688


I'm no Beno homer, but really you guys are being a little ridiculous here.

I've seen every game Beno ever played with the Spurs and he couldn't cut it. Its not like this opinion of him is out of thin air. He's not a horrible player, but he was injuried and didn't come into training camp ready. He couldn't handle Pop's coaching. Hill has played 9 games so far. after 3 years we knew what Beno was going to give us.

Beno averaged 5.9 points his rookie year in 14 mins. At Sac in 32 mpg he averages 12.7, so Beno is exactly as good as most here think he is. The fact is Hill is a better defender and rebounder, which suits this team better and it looks like he actually has a good head on his shoulders.

[SpursFan0728]

I can't believe I'm responding to the idiocy of this thread.
Beno's first 7 games as a Spur vs. Hill's first 7:

Beno:
9/25 FG, 4/9 3Pt, 5/6 FT, 3 Reb, 7 Ast, 6 Stl, 6 TO, 0 Blk, 27 pts

Hill:
21/51 FG, 3/9 3Pt, 11/16 FT, 20 Reb, 18 Ast, 3 Stl, 6 TO, 2 Blk, 56 pts

stupid comment

Hill stats would not have been better than Beno's if Parker wasn't down

With that being said, I do agree that Hill is a better defender.

But I also congratulate Beno for finding a new Home in Sac

[Ice009]

I'll agree, only because he has the potential to be a lockdown defender and he's still very young. That jumper is awful as of right now, though.

Do you even remember Beno in 2007. He couldn't hit at times. His form and jumper looked putrid.

Beno is probably a better shooter overall, but don't act as if Beno never had any shooting slumps.

[ploto]

Look- Beno is happy in Sacramento and you are happy with Hill. If you hated him so much, be glad he is gone.

Is Hill more mature than a 21 year old Beno moving to the US from Europe- sure. But to claim Hill will be a better scorer or passer than Beno is crazy. Beno led the Spurs in 3 point FG% as a rookie adjusting to the NBA line and was also called the Spurs best passer that season by Pop. Of course, I wish it had worked out differently. Is Beno to blame- of course- but even Pop admits it was partially his fault, as well. I am sure many of the guys in here are more mature at 26 than 21. Wish him well- his teammates have- he is a talented guy.

[Biernutz]

This is how much Beno money is making --how good do you feel paying this for Beno?

$5,500,000---2008-09
$6,077,500---2009-10
$6,655,000---2010--11
$7,232,500---2011--12
$7,810,000---2012--13

Why is Beno being compared to a rookie with less than 15 games? That says it all.

[Cry Havoc]

REGULAR SEASON STATS ARE AWESOME.

Assuming Beno ever made the playoffs, Parker would utterly, completely humiliate him. It would not even be, and is not worth discussing. A of a lot of NBA players have put up 27 before. It doesn't mean they're anything special.

Please defend his FIVE turnovers against the Spurs 2nd and 3rd string guards. Thanks.

[jag]

Beno Udrih, great example of a European player who was in the doghouse. Yeah he complained and whined a bunch but he finally got his chance in Sac town. Look at Beno now. This is exactly what V-Span should have done. If he had only waited out JVG's firing and played for Adleman he would have been fine. he would have been fine if he would have just stayed and played for the Spurs.

If George hill is ever as good as Beno is right now...i'll be happy.

[Cry Havoc]

If George hill is ever as good as Beno is right now...i'll be happy.

Can you name ONE player in the NBA that Beno Udrih can guard?

Seriously. Name one who's name isn't J.J. Re .

[Pero]

I've seen every game Beno ever played with the Spurs and he couldn't cut it. Its not like this opinion of him is out of thin air. He's not a horrible player, but he was injuried and didn't come into training camp ready. He couldn't handle Pop's coaching. Hill has played 9 games so far. after 3 years we knew what Beno was going to give us.

Beno averaged 5.9 points his rookie year in 14 mins. At Sac in 32 mpg he averages 12.7, so Beno is exactly as good as most here think he is. The fact is Hill is a better defender and rebounder, which suits this team better and it looks like he actually has a good head on his shoulders.

Right, I don't disagree with that.

Please defend his FIVE turnovers against the Spurs 2nd and 3rd string guards. Thanks.

A of a lot of NBA players have forced other NBA players to turn over the ball 5 times before. It doesn't mean they're anything special.

And you're saying regular season doesn't matter, but people here are comparing Hill in the REGULAR season to Beno. How does it not matter then?
Fact is, Beno in his rookie season was better than Hill is so far. Maybe Hill will get/be better as the season goes on, we'll have to wait and see.

[Pero]

Can you name ONE player in the NBA that Beno Udrih can guard?

Seriously. Name one who's name isn't J.J. Re .

Baron Davis shot 4-15 with Beno guarding him.

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It's really sad that the best thing people can say about Beno after five years in the NBA is that he's better than, check that, puts up better stats than, a guy who's played five games in his entire career, yet they treat that like it means something. If he actually played to his potential, people would be comparing him to Parker. THAT is why he's not a Spur, and why my only regret about his leaving is that the Spurs couldn't get something in return for him.

[underdawg]

Baron Davis shot 4-15 with Beno guarding him.

didn't see that game, so please tell me was that Beno's D or was it Davis having an off night? Just asking - b/c we all know that Davis probably drops30 on Beno the next time they play. Beno's in the perfect place -a team that's not a contender. He might win a regular season game for them every once in a while, but I'd bet he'd disappear in the playoffs. He's always had a chip on his shoulder probably due to his sense of en lement. I liked Beno and feel sorry for what happened to him in SA, but at the end of the day he'll probably be just fine with his stats in Sac.

[timvp]

Regarding Beno, he's the exact same player now that he was when he entered the league. The only difference with the Kings is that he plays more minutes.

Take out his third season with the Spurs and those numbers are amazingly similar. He scored a little bit more with the Spurs but pulls down more rebounds with the Kings. That's about the only difference.

His main problems while with the Spurs were never on the court. He just wasn't a good fit. I think the one thing Beno could never get over was playing behind Parker. In Beno's eyes, he's Parker's equal. Playing behind him was a slap in the face to him.

Add to that he never really meshed with Pop on or off the court and that explains the messy divorce. I'm glad he's doing well on his own team now. I'm also glad he's not on the Spurs because he never really fit.

I have no problem with Beno and it's nice to see that he has a huge contract that will make sure he never has to worry about money again. Plus, him doing well elsewhere proves that the Spurs front office scouts can find gems deep in drafts.

[Pero]

It's really sad that the best thing people can say about Beno after five years in the NBA is that he's better than, check that, puts up better stats than, a guy who's played five games in his entire career, yet they treat that like it means something. If he actually played to his potential, people would be comparing him to Parker.

He was... But yeah I guess.
Although I think why they're compared is because they were/are both Spurs rookies who play/ed back up.

Regarding Beno, he's the exact same player now that he was when he entered the league. The only difference with the Kings is that he plays more minutes.

I think after he got traded to the Kings last season he was putting up better numbers, but maybe his contract had something to do with it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Beno jumped for a Jacque Vaughn pump fake, which led to Vaughn getting an and-1 on him..yes, jumped for a Vaughn pump fake, you read correctly..

[SenorSpur]

Regarding Beno, he's the exact same player now that he was when he entered the league. The only difference with the Kings is that he plays more minutes.

Take out his third season with the Spurs and those numbers are amazingly similar. He scored a little bit more with the Spurs but pulls down more rebounds with the Kings. That's about the only difference.

His main problems while with the Spurs were never on the court. He just wasn't a good fit. I think the one thing Beno could never get over was playing behind Parker. In Beno's eyes, he's Parker's equal. Playing behind him was a slap in the face to him.

Add to that he never really meshed with Pop on or off the court and that explains the messy divorce. I'm glad he's doing well on his own team now. I'm also glad he's not on the Spurs because he never really fit.

I have no problem with Beno and it's nice to see that he has a huge contract that will make sure he never has to worry about money again. Plus, him doing well elsewhere proves that the Spurs front office scouts can find gems deep in drafts.

Well said. I just wish the Spurs could've gotten more for him in the trade.

[ShoogarBear]

SpursSupremacist = SpursDynasty 2.0

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SpursSupremacist = SpursDynasty 2.0

If he's the one who said Steven Hunter's a better defender than Kurt Thomas, I think it's more like Spurssupremacist = Spursdynasty .05

[Cry Havoc]

[QUOTE=Pero;2906509]Right, I don't disagree with that.

A of a lot of NBA players have forced other NBA players to turn over the ball 5 times before. It doesn't mean they're anything special.[quote]

Okay, but this thread is talking about how Beno is Chris Paul's bigger, faster, stronger brother. I'm asking the OP to tell me how a 5 TO game against a young, inexperienced team + Vaughn in the backcourt is considered a great performance.

And you're saying regular season doesn't matter, but people here are comparing Hill in the REGULAR season to Beno. How does it not matter then?
Fact is, Beno in his rookie season was better than Hill is so far. Maybe Hill will get/be better as the season goes on, we'll have to wait and see.

When Hill completely, utterly, metaphorically takes a dump on the court during a playoff game, then you will see me posting on this forum about how he needs to pick up his game a lot. I never had a problem with Beano's regular season play. It's the playoffs that still makes me toss and turn at night. Or does anyone who's lauding this guy actually recall what happens to Beano in the playoffs?

[SpurSupremacist]

Well, there is a lot of idiocy being spewed around, per usual. I can't respond to all of it, so I'll just sum it up in one sentence. Stop being Popo 's sheep. You idiots that think Popo can do no wrong make me laugh. You ever think, or consider the possibility that Beno was in the right here? I'm not saying he was or he wasn't, but you accept anything Popo says at face value, with your mouths open and drooling.

A few other things that were just too laughable I need to respond to:

1) Jacque Vaughn got Beno up in the air on a pump fake? Really? Wow. You act as if he pump faked from the 3 point line to get him off his feet. He was directly next to the basket, Michael Jordan could be drawn into the air in that situation.

2) To the fool comparing Beno's first few games to Hill's... ROFL. Just... ROFL. You realize Hill is starting these games, right? And playing 30 minutes a night? That is, if he doesn't play so terribly that he has to get yanked, ie when he was getting balled on by Beno.

3) It's so trendy to say someone can't defend. It's mostly just opinion-oriented, with no real backing. That said, do I think Hill is a better defender? Yes. Do I think the difference is that significant? No, not really. All Hill does is play way off of offensive players and plays the drive, hoping to use his length to bother them. People are going to figure this out soon and just continually pull in his face, until he plays some actual defense. By the way, props to Pero, completely tore you another one with that Baron Davis stat. To which you could only respond "Didn't see that game." ROFL. And then of course, you blamed it entirely on the offensive player. Smooth.

4) And to the rest of you idiots citing that I'm comparing a rookie to a veteran, you don't seem to understand. People on this board are saying things like Hill is Beno's superior, even going as far to say that Beno was going to get 'thrashed' in this game. Funny how quickly the argument changes, innit?

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Hill>>>>>>>>testicle sweat>>>Beno>>>>>>>SpurSupremacist.

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[SpurSupremacist]

Me > You

/life

[cherylsteele]

Well, there is a lot of idiocy being spewed around, per usual.

Then stop posting your crap. He lost his 2nd string position here to JV, who is not a world beater by any means. So he scores well sometimes, that is only part of the NBA game. I can name plenty of players who had periodic good scoring nights, but overall weren't worth a hill of beans.