Bynum gets 8 shots a night and rarely gets plays called for him. Give him 15 shots a game and you'll have your 20/10.
Bynum is just starting to get back into rhthym. I don't know why so many people, including Laker fans, expected him to come out the gates firing on all cylinders.
This is a marathon, not a sprint. Bynum's minutes are being watched carefully because this team absolutely needs him for the playoffs if they are to advance.
Unfortunately it doesnt work like that, last season he was the second option and he averaged 13. He still hasnt proven he can consistently score on the low block, even last season most of his points were off put backs and alley oops with an occasional hook thrown in.
You need alot more than that to average 20 a game in the NBA.
I've asked it twice and it's a miracle you function if you can't answer it. The entire board (even Laker fans...most far smarter than you) has flamed you. If you've been called an idiot 100 times here (I think it's more), it's probably because you are. How do you get along in daily life if you can't make sense here? Poor kid, go cry to your friends...wait-you probably don't have any.
Last year was Bynum's breakout year. He showed improvement month by month, so his average looked mediocre. He was the 3rd/4th option last year, not the 2nd option.
October - 4 points 4 rebounds
November - 11 points 10 rebounds
December - 14 points 9 rebounds
January - 17 points 9 rebounds
So looking at his 13 points per game last year was deceiving, you gotta remember he was a bench player until Kwame Brown got injured.
Bynum scores easily with great footwork, he wasn't so good in the first couple of games but the last couple of games, he's getting his post-up back, dunking and explosiveness.
Give Bynum 15 shots and he'll easily average 20.
Bynum won't get his 15 shots a game until after he has that floating bone spur removed from his foot. He needs to get scoped.
Because Kareem as a coach has a history of turning young athletic 7-footers into 20/10 NBA centers?
He has all the tools to be a good bit better than Kareem physically, and with kareem teaching him one on one, you would expect less after 4 years of mentoring?
Here, let me spell it out for you, because you must have misunderstood:
Bynum already averages close to 10 boards a game as it is - so the 10 part of the 20/10 is easily within grasp. And hes always shown good things on the defensive end, and makes himself a big body on D.
So kareem's main job is offense ... and so 4 years later, you don't reasonably expect a 20/10 center by now, 21 years of age or not?
Again,
....Riiiiiiiiiggghhhhht.
Most likely, I wouldn't doubt it.
This guy receives more excuses than any player i've seen in a long time. I don't know about all that twenty and ten stuff, but for several years with Jabbar and the famed Illy Willy Nilly Jackson, the progress has been so gradual it's a joke to have all time great expectations. There's a statement in here about great players establishing themselves relatively early in the league in this thread, that is pretty accurate.
Just like Magic should be a great NBA head coach or Isiah Thomas should know how to run an NBA franchise.He has all the tools to be a good bit better than Kareem physically, and with kareem teaching him one on one, you would expect less after 4 years of mentoring?
Here, let me spell it out for you, because you must have misunderstood:
Bynum already averages close to 10 boards a game as it is - so the 10 part of the 20/10 is easily within grasp. And hes always shown good things on the defensive end, and makes himself a big body on D.
So kareem's main job is offense ... and so 4 years later, you don't reasonably expect a 20/10 center by now, 21 years of age or not?
Again,
Just because players are great, that doesn't mean they can be great coaches. And, even if they are, that doesn't mean the player they coach really connects to the coaching. Beyond that, Andrew Bynum did show significant improvement last year to the point where one could expect him to be a 20/10 type of guy, but with guys like Kobe and Pau, it's difficult to get enough touches to score 20 points a game, and Phil Jackson even stated as much at the beginning of the season when Bynum expressed his desire to be an all star and put up 20/10. Jackson all but shut that idea out saying he won't be getting those amount of touches to be a 20 ppg guy. In the minutes he's playing, he's rebounding at a perfectly fine rate.
It's not whether Bynum should be a 20/10 guy or not or is capable of being a 20/10 guy. His situation as a third scorer on a deep offensive deep doesn't really allow him to be such. And, back to the original comment, Kareem being a great player doesn't mean he can teach any other player to be a 20/10 guy.
Bynum is 21. Shut the up, everyone. Nobody here knows whether he'll turn out to be an All-Star or just a good player.
What I do know is he is on his way to averaging a solid 15/10/2-3 this season if he keeps up this pace. Good enough for the Lakers to win it all IMHO.
I know you are new, but it. The simple fact that you made this comment forces me to disregard any and everything you have to say from here on out.
I might be new to the board, but you're new to basketball from some of the dumb comments u make. So tell me the differences in Bynum's and Duncan's game, if you think the comparison is so wrong. Let me guess you can't because all you do is read the boxscores and judge a player on stats disregarding the cir stances.
Also btw, Luke was a very good player in his contract year, but after he hit payday he got lazy and has regressed.
Only reason you want to disregard me is, because you're being exposed as a bandwagon fan who knows jack about the lakers.
Per 36 minutes
Here's some real statistics tha actually have some meaning (unlike per 36):
Oden is breaking even 0.0 in production when he's on the court. Whereas Bynum is +10.6.
It's pretty obvious you haven't seen much of Bynum or you're just talking out of your ass (probably both).
Yes, Bynum is better offensively but he is MUCH better defensively and it isn't even close. Oden is holding his opponents (mostly against 2nd stringers
Right now Bynum, only 3 months older than Oden, is a better player in just about every facet of the game. That's just a fact backed by a plethora of statistics. Bynum has transformed the Lakers into one of the top defensive teams in the NBA. Easily a DPOY candidate at this point in the season.
Most likely, I wouldn't doubt it.
This guy receives more excuses than any player i've seen in a long time. I don't know about all that twenty and ten stuff, but for several years with Jabbar and the famed Illy Willy Nilly Jackson, the progress has been so gradual it's a joke to have all time great expectations. There's a statement in here about great players establishing themselves relatively early in the league in this thread, that is pretty accurate.
Tell me somethings in Bynum's game that makes you think he won't be a very very good center? Kareem has worked with kandiman and kwame and they were both atheltic so that should automatically make them superstars?
First 2 years of Bynum's career he didn't have the conditioning and had bascially no basketball experience. Last year half the times he was a backup to kwame and when he did start his minutes were limited, because Lakers were blowing the other teams out.
Olajuwon wasn't a major scoring threat till he was a junior, Ewing till his Senior year, Duncan his senior year and Drob played in a crap conference. Those guys also came into to the league with ready bodies, good enough to compete, while Bynum his first year he had to shed his baby fat. All those guys were first options on offense when they came into the league, they didn't have a selfish egomanic like Kobe to defer to either. At 21 years of age besides olajuwon, the others did not have a better game than Bynum, plus Bynum is longer and bigger than all of them. At 21 Bynum rarely gets into foul trouble, is already a good free throw shooter, has a real nice touch/stroke and he doesn't force things. Tell me 1 other legit 7 feet 1 who has improved over a span of 3 years like Bynum has, and at his age.
I'm very curious as to how a Spurs board has lured so many Laker trolls. Flat out trolls I tell you!
It takes over two years to get into basketball shape? Excuse me, but that's bull .
If he's so out of shape, and if he has low experience, that would be a good time to get into shape and get experience. Again, bull .
All these guys you speak of are more agile than Bynum. Also, Hakeem and duncan never had amazing bodies, even in the prime of their career they were never flat out chizzled. Bynum has a better physique appearance wise than those two ever had. But as we know, that doesn't always correlate with skill level. Duncan still has some "baby fat", stop making excuses.
Dwight Howard. But he has improved much better than Bynum.
No excuses there, just stating facts. It's a fact Bynum came into the league as a project, had no bball skills besides his 33 inch verticle, nice touch and his 300+lbs of baby fat, go look at his scouting reports. Yes Bynum worked super hard to have a chizzled body and it's a fact he works hard, go look at his pictures from the McDonald's game and compare his body now. But again it takes time to grow into that body, not all are like Shaq / Dwight. First 2 years in the league, bynum used to get winded after sprinting up and down the court a couple times which is also a fact.
Olajuwon, Drob did have more agility than Bynum but not EWing or Duncan at the age of 21. The last 10 games of last season b4 the injury, Bynum was very agile,quick and explosive, he would shut down opposing point guards on pick n' roll wiht his length and quickness. Also his moves in the paint were more decisive and quicker, and again this has to do with trusting his knees and gaining more strength. Doesn't matter how agile you are if a stronger player is pushing you from the back, you 're gonna look methodical. It's more of a strength issue than agility.
Wrong, Dwight did not improve as much as Bynum in his first 3 years. This is in terms of both body and skill wise. Dwight added more muscle to his already muscular frame while Bynum went from a 300+lbs of fat to what he is now. Yes, Dwight did add more post moves, but his improvement has more to do with his strength and explosiveness than actual basketball skills. Dwight is what he is, he WON'T AND WILL NOT get much better than what he is right now, he has no touch what so ever and not long enough to go over bigger centers, his game depends on strength and explosiveness. He will always have problems against bigger centers and his free throw shooting you know about. With Bynum he has already developed into a good low post scorer with either his left or right hand. He already has a decent 15 footer has a beautiful stroke/touch, passing, and shoots free throws real well. Once he starts trusting his knees, gets back in condition like last year pre injury and adds power, explosiveness to his game than watch out.
It happened when we all joined in the WCF. Most trolls left, and a couple fans stuck around, but it seems they are back.
It looks like Bynum got over his fear quick and redeemed himself against Dampier yesterday.
Bynum 18 points, 10 rebounds
Dampier 0 points, 3 rebounds
He's learning to play against the tougher/stronger Centers.
Alright, so Bynum is out on the perimeter crossing over defenders? He is also handling the ball like a guard at 21 as well, impressive. Excuse the sarcasm, but Bynum can't play as agile as Bynum at that age. Duncan would rip him a new one, and Bynum couldn't respond in the same manner with agility.
As far as this paragraph of non sense about Dwight being what he is and not getting much better, I will not respond, you can look that over and ponder.
That was at halftime of the Kings game if I recall. Word got to the Laker locker room and they came out strong in the second half. Derek Fisher even called Fox out on the comment in the post game show.
Seriously, I don't care if Oden or Bynum is the better player. I don't care what kind of numbers Bynum puts up. He is one-ninth of our rotaton, and he is doing his job. Whether we are playing over our heads at 13-1 or haven't reached our full potential is speculation. Our team shares the minutes, and shares the ball. If we avoid injuries, we will be well rested come playoff time.
The regular season and the playoffs are mutually exclusive events, the former seeds the latter. There is practically a full season left. Until our opponents show otherwise, we are the best in the west.
I hate it when people describe teams or players as soft. It makes no sense to me. Our beloved Dirk gets called soft because his lateral quickness limits his defense and because he doesn't score much in the paint. If "soft" is 24/9 and 25/11 in the playoffs, then I love it! So dumb!
If you wanna call teams that don't defend and rebound soft than that's fine, but the Lakers are pretty damn good at both.
Bynum and Ariza add some "physical toughness" to this team that they seemed to lack last year.
Teams don't lose or win games because of "softness" or "toughness" though in my opinion, they win because of talent and execution, and the Lakers have talent and execute efficiently.
Alright, so Bynum is out on the perimeter crossing over defenders? He is also handling the ball like a guard at 21 as well, impressive. Excuse the sarcasm, but Bynum can't play as agile as Bynum at that age. Duncan would rip him a new one, and Bynum couldn't respond in the same manner with agility.
As far as this paragraph of non sense about Dwight being what he is and not getting much better, I will not respond, you can look that over and ponder.
Duncan had a crossover at 21? is that the best you could come up with, that Duncan has a crossover and plays better in the perimeter and that proves he has more agility? How many centers could handle the ball like a guard and why in the world would i want my big man crossing pple over on the perimeter in the first place. Let me guess if you were comparing Duncan to Garnett you'll point out how Duncan plays in the low post while KG is crossing pple over.
It's not that you won't respond, it's you can't respond.
Every post you have about Bynum is your biased assumptions and all you bring out are stats, you havent broken down his game and it seems you haven't seen much of him.
You're so right, plus Ariza is 10x s tougher than Fox to begin with.
So you think ball handling ability and perimeter foot speed have nothing to do with agility? Alright, i'm about done speaking to you here.
Biased? This is coming from the man who thinks Howard will not improve beyond his current skill set.
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