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    he didn't say earthly idols.

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    he didn't say earthly idols.
    You're right. But, we do tend to treat earthly idols as gods...no? In fact, it was about the time He was carving this into the tablets for Moses when the rest of the Israelites were down the mountain praying to a golden calf.

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    if there's only one god, why would he say "thou shalt worship no other god"?
    cos he's obviously one jealous mother er.....why would an all powerful god need to even make his rules in stone? couldn't he just enforce it through mind control?

    but my point is, if some people NEED that crutch in their life, then more power to them...sorry that you think this world sucks so much that you find a need to invest so heavily in the next.....but as long as you don't force me to believe what you do, then it doesn't bother me...

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    god thinks a golden calf is a god?

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    god thinks a golden calf is a god?
    No, but, apparently humans did and, he was speaking to them...

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    No, but, apparently humans did and, he was speaking to them...
    you mean humans were treating the golden calf the way god wants to be treated?

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    you mean humans were treating the golden calf the way god wants to be treated?
    Humans were worshipping an idol as if it were God.

    What's your point?

    Religion and abortion threads never go anywhere...why do we bother?

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    Humans were worshipping an idol as if it were God.
    sad that god thinks he's only worth the same worship as a golden calf.

    What's your point?
    why make it a commandment? doesn't make sense, at all. kinda sounds weak and whiny.

    do you think god should sound weak and whiny?

    Religion and abortion threads never go anywhere...
    you mean kill the racket once and for all?

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    I think it's normal to wonder. I believe in God and Christianity but I would lying if I told you I never had doubts. It's a hard thing to have 100% faith in something.

    But I agree with you in a sense that I see the world around us with all its complexities and functions and think that there has to be a Creator. To me, that makes sense. I know to others, it doesn't at all. Also in others' defense, maybe it isn't the Christian God (although personally I do think it is).

    Religion isn't something to go by however. You will always see Christians as hypocrites because they are striving to live a lifestyle that is essentially impossible in this life (according to the Bible). Humans will always ruin religion because humans are flawed. And I think a lot of Christians definitely misconstrue the Bible and make it something it's not in order to justify their actions. It happens.

    I was raised pretty strong Christian, and then like you, I quit going to church at around 15 because I thought it was full of hypocrites and I witnessed firsthand the duplicity of church members. I spent the next two years agnostic and very very anti-church and anti-God. And then within the past 4-5 months I've changed a lot and I have gone back to my original beliefs. So I can understand your thinking. I think you have to believe what you feel in your heart (or head) is the thing to believe. That differs for everyone.

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    church is the worst place to worship.

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    don't sweat it
    ? i heard was hot.

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    Here's some background on my beliefs:

    I was raised Catholic; I went to Catholic schools for seven years. Around 16 I stopped attending church. I had a good sample of potential denominations when I was younger; I got to make the choice to stay Catholic. My father was an agnostic (we lost him in March of 2006) and my brother is an athiest.

    My father--through direct and indirect actions--really changed me on this subject. We are what we inherit. I punished him for being gone a lot, and used religion and the Bible to condemn him. That left me hollow, guilty, and crying. After we lost him I see the damage religion and a lack of understanding did for the relationship and I vowed to look at the world with an open mind after that--as he did. When I did, I found that organized religion wasn't for me, especially Christianity. I played with being agnostic for awhile, but that didn't fit, either.

    The story of Christ, while it's proven that Jesus walked the earth and he was wise, I don't think he was any more the 'son of man' than you or me. I think that religion highlights the worst of human nature--us vs. them, condemnation, mystical unscientific beliefs, mass hysteria, fear of disapproval, and abusive power to name a few.

    The universe is breath-takingly beautiful and mysterious. For there to be as much life here as there is humbling. For organisms to be as complex as they are, to consider in the known universe there is so little life--that we are unique--fills me with humility. It makes my problems less intimidating and smaller. There's never boredom; too much to consider. We need real people to solve real problems and relying on God to fill in the blanks, as politicians and clerics ask us to do, just stunts our growth. I know it stunted mine. I'm not a great mind by any means but my potential was wasted,in some measure, on too much energy towards God, and not helping my fellow man.

    What are your beliefs?
    What's your story?
    I've heard your story many times during my paths and travels. I advise you to join your local order of the Golden Dawn. It worked for Crowley. Kinda.

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    If you live in the San Antonio area, tune to 89.7 FM. This station has several call in shows. The best ones for your question might be the one at 2 to 3 pm on Thursday or Friday or the one at 5 to 7 pm on Thursday. If in the Dallas area, the station is 910 AM, same times and days.

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    church is the worst place to worship.
    Ever notice how athiests are, more times than not, as religiously zealous in their position as are many fundamentalist Christians?

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    I was born and raised Catholic, around 15 or 16 I determined that the Catholics sucked. I couldn't stand church and I stopped going. When I was 23, my Grandmother died. She was the best person I ever knew in my life so far and she went to church every single day of her adult life. After she passed, I refused to accept my belief that religion is a bunch of crap because I don't want to believe that she is just dead and gone. I pray every night to her and Jesus because more than anything I hope she is living the good life somewhere.


    Having said that, I don't get bothered by Athiest folk, because I too was one, and the only reason I'm not now is because I hope that my grandmother is having a good time because she ing deserves it.













    Also, I'm typing this while pooping.

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    I do think there is a god but I don't think he is some swinging sitting on a cloud (or a he for that matter). Past that point it is just all a big damn mystery to me. The Christian stuff is just bronze age supers ion that doesn't stand up to rational thought (like whott said). I think Jesus was trying to get the thought across that you did not have to go through established religion to have a relationship with god and he got whacked for it. Extreme dogma and mega-churches was exactly what he was preaching against, most likely. I doubt he was making claims to be any more of a deity than anyone else. If you drill religion in the head of a child before they are capable of critical thought it is hard as for them to ever think objectively. I am trying to protect my son from religious dogma until he is mature enough to call BS on it. Maybe we got stuck with a beginner god and it was a bit of a fvck-up. That's why children get cancer and crap like that.

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    Ever notice how athiests are, more times than not, as religiously zealous in their position as are many fundamentalist Christians?


    Seriously. I mean I can count just as many wars begun by atheists for atheistic reasons as I can wars begun by christians for christian reasons.

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    sad that god thinks he's only worth the same worship as a golden calf.


    why make it a commandment? doesn't make sense, at all. kinda sounds weak and whiny.

    do you think god should sound weak and whiny?


    you mean kill the racket once and for all?
    what, did you skip Sunday School as a kid?

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    God is another matter. And you know it. God is unseen. There is no reasonable expectation of seeing evidence of God's existence, like there is with Bigfoot. Again, in the case of Bigfoot--if Bigfoot existed, there would be a fossil record and do ented sightings. Bigfoot's existence is theoretically provable. But what about God? To use your numbering scheme, the issue of God's existence is 50/50. Regardless, in both cases, belief plays a role.
    I think you are confusing God with intelligent design, which in it's base form is not the same thing.

    I see a tower and know from experiece that it was (loosely) intelligently designed. Man has even gotten to the point where we can create other life forms in labs.

    I have not, however, witnessed matter springing from non-matter on it's own. I therefore have no problem with an intelligent design theory for the universe.

    That's not to say though that means that an all powerful omnipotent, omniscient God is the source of that design.

    I've seen some dumbasses create some pretty cool stuff myself.

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    Seriously. I mean I can count just as many wars begun by atheists for atheistic reasons as I can wars begun by christians for christian reasons.
    really?
    name one war on religion started by an atheist...just one...
    the closest thing would be mao's cultural revolution, but that wasn't even an attack on religion as much as on old eastern culture that he felt was keeping his people behind the times...

    compare that to....
    the crusades, the war on terror, the spanish inquistions, the american revolution(the pilgrims first came here for religious freedom, right?), northern ireland, basically whats going on in the entire continent of africa, indi-paki war, well basically you can name or relate every war in the history of man with the exception of vietnam, korea, some campaigns in ww1 & 2, and the spanish-american war to some religious zealot who thought that his god had a bigger wang and needed to be bowed in front of...i can't wait til we as a race are past this blot in our history...

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    ...i can't wait til we as a race are past this blot in our history...
    Keep waiting...it'll never happen.

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    Keep waiting...it'll never happen.
    you may be right, and thats sad....

    at least one day jesus/muhammad will go the same way as zeus, thor, tezcatlipoca, etc...
    in the next 200-700 years maybe l.ron and joseph smith will be at their place and the next church will worship me................................................ .

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    here we go again...

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    What do I believe:

    I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
    the Maker of heaven and earth,
    and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
    Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
    born of the virgin Mary,
    suffered under Pontius Pilate,
    was crucified, dead, and buried;
    He descended into .
    The third day He arose again from the dead;
    He ascended into heaven,
    and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
    from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
    I believe in the Holy Ghost;
    the holy catholic church;
    the communion of saints;
    the forgiveness of sins;
    the resurrection of the body;
    and the life everlasting.
    Amen.

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    Catholics assemble!!!!!!

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