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So to sum up, Dallas is now a pretender, just like Houston has always been. I guess that explains your glee, since misery loves company.
No - The team is now weaker in crucial areas
Yes - Kidd is what is needed to get them that championship
Hindsight.....lol, I started this thread right after the trade.......said it was a horrible deal and would screw Dallas out of their status.
Yep...it did.
DD
So to sum up, Dallas is now a pretender, just like Houston has always been. I guess that explains your glee, since misery loves company.
all this shows is how much DaDakota actually lacks basketball knowledge.
fact is, the system, the players... none of it was fitting for Harris' style of play, which is to have everyone clear out and let him drive (which is all they do in New Jersey). Dallas already had 3 people who can average 20+ PPG in Dirk, Terry, and Howard. Why would you change the system completely just so that Harris can score 20 ppg, when you already got three guys that do? Fact is, the Mavericks needed a better passer, size, and three point shooting. Kidd does all of those things better than Harris. Also, another fact is that Dirk is still in his prime. The Mavericks need to win now while he is still able to play at such a high level.
DaDakota is such a ing moron, to sit here and preach about how much he knows about basketball, when he is basically saying that the Mavericks should take away the system, shots, and PT that made their #1 player (Dirk Nowitzki) who has become the greatest player in franchise history, a HOF lock, and is among the greatest players in NBA history, just to give a young inconsistent, injury prone guard a chance to shine? What sense does that make? ing idiot.
Poor stretch, you actually think that Devin Harris would be bad in Dallas' system.
Here Stretch, let me give you a clue, since you obviously have none.
You do realize that they have to play defense too, right? Or that Josh Howard has struggled mightily since the trade (weren't they best friends?)
Chemistry class will begin when DD rings the bell.
DD
You're so wrong about this it's not even funny. Would this team be better with Devin Harris? Sure they would. But Jason Kidd is far from the problem this season, and the problems on the team this season aren't solved by Devin Harris.
Bad trade? Yes. Is it the reason the Mavs suck now? Absolutely not.
The Mavs are 14-11 right now, and would be only 1 or 2 games better if Harris was still here.
Also, the Mavericks were a first round exit playoff team with Devin still on the roster. Funny how everyone forgets how Devin Harris Christ got assplowed by Baron Davis in the playoffs a couple years ago.
Dallas was first in the West when Devin got hurt. They had slipped to 5th or 6th at the time of the trade. If Devin suffers a high ankle sprain and continues to be about as durable as Yao and McGrady, then the trade will be seen as slightly less bad. His durability issues were part of the reason that Dallas was willing to part with him.
The teams main weaknesses were lack of perimeter defense and lack of post scoring. Kidd addressed neither, and while the team couldn't stop Wade or Davis, it certainly didn't make sense to trade away your best perimeter defender. I tried to be a good little Mavs fan and wave pom-poms for the trade after vehemently arguing against it in the month of January, but that was just being optimistic and open-minded that Donnie Nelson, who actually has a job in professional basketball, had more common sense than I did.
Kidd is actually finally doing this year what he was brought here to do, but it's also clear that the team needed a more thorough retooling than just Kidd for Harris. I feel bad for him until I remember that he's going to sign with the Cavs or Lakers next summer for the MLE and we'll have traded away Devin, 2 #1's, including a potential lottery pick in 2010, along with Josh Howard's motivation, for a year and a half of mediocre basketball. In retrospect, Avery should've been fired right after Golden State. If Harris were still here, he'd be the #2 option and averaging about 18-19 a game with about 4-5 assists. And the Lakers don't impress me that much*, so we'd have an excellent chance to come out of the West.
* You can always tell how well the Lakers are doing by 21 Blessings' willingness to post. When they look like world beaters and legitimate le contenders, he's here talking his little ass off. When they struggle and look like they would lose to Cleveland or Boston in a 7-game series, he's nowhere to be found.
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You know if you take Dirk off the roster and replace him with nobody... it's arguable that it would "only" cost the Mavs 20 games in a 82 game season.
That means, if the Mavs go 52-30 with Nowitzki playing 82 games, they would go 32-50 if he didn't play.
That's what I believe, it's not as if a team gets 20 points worse cause it loses DIrk. We're winning games by 2 points now, we wouldn't lose them by 18 w/o Dirk.
Harris arguably would make us 4-5 games better over 82 games and maybe 2-3 points better per game... so while it appears the team downgraded with the trade, it's not as if there aren't other glaring roster holes.
We can speculate whether those draft picks should've been used on a better deal, such as an offensive center or a shooting guard, but if you take this Mavs team, swap Jason Kidd w/ Devin Harris... it's likely the same, or onlyslightly better.
Mono, that was one playoff series, that is entirely my point, Cuban panicked, you don't panic when your team wins like 67 games in the regular season, and gets bounced in the 1st round.
You just let the younger players learn from that experience and come back stronger, remember Kobe at 19 years old shooting air balls against the Jazz in the playoffs?
Devin today is better than Devin 2 years ago...and the Mavs would be a lot lot better with him than Kidd.
He puts so much pressure on the defense with his drives, and it makes everyone better.
Devin Harris killed us, when we played you guys, now.....the Mavs are just a s of a team, a fringe playoff team....from 67 wins to maybe not even making it in 2 short years......
Come on, Cuban screwed the pooch here.....and I like the guy...but he blew it.
DD
Yep, you gotta be in some way related to da_suns_fan.Huh,
I wonder how people would vote today....NEVER doubt the DD and his basketball wisdom...you will consistently get PWNED !!
DD
Time for Cuban to resign.
Dallas is toast, Kidd or no Kidd. Devin Harris lighting up the New York television market with all this scoring.
Hi, stupid. This is the second time I've seen you mention this, so I just want to let you know that Mark Cuban wasn't hired to be the team's owner. He'd have to sell the team.
What he needs to do is be an owner and stop getting involved with personnel decisions.
Resigning as meaning to sell the team. Not staying as the owner of the mavs because of the disgrace he caused this team. Better?
Ain't just a river in Egypt, is it?
You fail to mention that they'd also have a free agent that they could have signed with the money they spent on Diop, as well as whoever they'd have taken with pick 21 in the draft.
How good would they be now with Harris, Diop, James Posey and Nicolas Batum or Luc Mbah a Moute? Could have happened.
I guess so, but to be fair to Mark Cuban, the team was a disgrace before he bought it. That's not a characterization even I would make about what he's done to the team.
The mavs suck. They'll NEVER, as in NEVER EVER, be champs. Period.
He also got face ed by Dwayne Wade in the Finals. Big guards + Devin Harris = big trouble.
He obviously wasn't doing all that great, when you compared what he was doing, to what he is doing in New Jersey, where they made the system entirely for him.
Jason Kidd actually plays pretty damn good defense, arguably better than what Harris did when he was around. Obviously you wouldn't know, Rockets fan, because you are too busy watching Jason Terry light the Rockets up for 30 every time he sees them.
Also, being buddies shouldn't make you play worse when you get traded. See Dirk/Nash. Both won MVP when they were split apart. To bag on the trade because they were friends shows how even more ing stupid you are.
Bandwagon fans like you are a far bigger disgrace than Cuban, his moves, or the clip constantly shown of T-Mac dunking on Bradley could ever possibly be.
Go Nets btw.
Go Nets btw.
your attempts to be funny = fail
Nice goin' mini-Mono. I thought the refs gave everything to Wade in that series. How is that Harris' fault? Funny how you guys change your tune when it suits the argument. How about you get back on topic and answer my question from a few posts back.
Your question has nothing to do with the topic. How about you get back on topic.
Mini-mono?
Anyways... I've never been one to blame the series on the refs. Were there questionable calls? Of course, anyone with eyes could see that. Even Heat fans. But Harris was getting his head beat in by Wade when he was guarding him. To be somewhat fair, Wade is simply damn good, and not many people can guard him well, but he was seriously eating Harris alive every time he tried to guard him.
Harris has never been very good at defending big guards.
And what question are you talking about? I don't really recall you asking me a question, but I'll go back and read to see what you asked me.
Thread le: Kidd Trade - Good or bad?
Okay, we're back on topic. The trade wasn't just a swap of Harris and Kidd. Now answer the ing question.
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