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    1. He doesnt play centre
    2. I dont think theres anybody we could trade to get him

    Andrea has pulled his semi-annual "I suck off the bench but play hard when I start so you better start me."
    yeah, i have noticed that actually.

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    18 pts 7/15 fg 2/5 3pt 5rbds 3assts 1stl

    Another good game against a top team in the NBA.

    If we will be getting this kind of production from another big besides Tim, a lot of the guys here that are bashing Bargnani will be bragging of how good the Spurs are.
    This looks like bonner's line on a good night.

    That doesn't solve the rebounding issue.

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    Forget it, he doesn't have the aura that bonner gives off....And if Bonner evolves into Super Bonner, Bargnanny will cower in fear!!!

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    bargini is good he still has rooom to improve to a nowitski imagine

    i would take him over bonner

    who would we trade it would kind of dumb for toronto to trade for him hes a heck of a player

    i saw him the other nite against houston

    hes still devoloping

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    he's never going to reach Dirk..

    I dislike him, but he's the most underrated player in the NBA..a lot of people seem to forget how good he is, just because the Mavs aren't as good..

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    The list of players averaging over a block and a three is:

    Lebron James: 1.2 3s, 1.2 Blks
    Danny Granger: 2.5 3s, 1.4 Blks
    Rasheed Wallace: 1.9 3s, 1.6 Blks
    Andrea Bargnani: 1.1 3s, 1.4 Blks

    On the cusp: Kevin Durant (1.3 3s, .9 Blks), Dirk Nowitzki (1.0 3s, .8 Blks), Wilson Chandler (1.1 3s, .8 Blks), Jamario Moon (.6 3s, .8 Blks), Mehmet Okur (1.0 3s, .7 Blks), Rudy Gay (1.3 3s, .7 Blks), Francisco Garcia (.9 3s, .9 Blks)

    He may be a bust at number 1, but he definitely has a unique skill-set and seems to be improving. Spurs could do a lot worse.
    Danny Granger is awesome.

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    I think if you think Bargnani is good, then you need to watch more basketball.

    Bargnani sucks and is one of the worst number 1 picks ever.


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    Danny Granger is awesome.
    I would trade Manu for him.....

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    I would trade Manu for him.....
    Easy. Everyone on the Spurs and their fans would rejoice.

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    First off, I don't even think you can consider him a bust yet. He's shown his potential. I think if he played in a offense like D'Antoni's he'd flourish. If I were the Knicks i'd try to actually go after him. But I don't think he's available. Fact is, he's 23. Raptors would be fools to get rid of him at this young age. He's raw. But when you watch him play you can tell there's something there.

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    First off, I don't even think you can consider him a bust yet. He's shown his potential. I think if he played in a offense like D'Antoni's he'd flourish. If I were the Knicks i'd try to actually go after him. But I don't think he's available. Fact is, he's 23. Raptors would be fools to get rid of him at this young age. He's raw. But when you watch him play you can tell there's something there.
    About the best post in this thread.

    I reckon Bargnani will discover his true game over the next 1-2 seasons and become a pretty fearsome player.

    People forget how long it takes a lot of players to adjust to the NBA game, especially bigs. It can take 5 or 6 years to see a player's true potential realised.

    If we could arrange a trade that doesn't touch our core (TD, TP, Manu, Bruce, Money, Hill) for him, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I think he'd thrive in a positive locker room with an excellent coach.

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    Danny Granger is awesome.
    is he going to be free agent this offseason

    MLE?

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    About the best post in this thread.

    I reckon Bargnani will discover his true game over the next 1-2 seasons and become a pretty fearsome player.

    People forget how long it takes a lot of players to adjust to the NBA game, especially bigs. It can take 5 or 6 years to see a player's true potential realised.

    If we could arrange a trade that doesn't touch our core (TD, TP, Manu, Bruce, Money, Hill) for him, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I think he'd thrive in a positive locker room with an excellent coach.
    What do you suppose his true style is?

    And for the stat buffs, which position does he do better at, SF or C? To me, he sounds like someone who could guard the Wests and Dirks of the WCF, but for all I know his 1-1 defense could suck major ass, I haven't really followed him.

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    is he going to be free agent this offseason

    MLE?
    Corey Maggette got 10 million per year. Granger is better than him.


    Bargnani for um...
    Spurs do not even have the pieces for a trade for Bargs....Dam.

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    What do you suppose his true style is?

    And for the stat buffs, which position does he do better at, SF or C? To me, he sounds like someone who could guard the Wests and Dirks of the WCF, but for all I know his 1-1 defense could suck major ass, I haven't really followed him.
    Not quite sure yet - he can shoot, post, but doesn't seem to be much of a ball-handler so he's not great on the drive. He's put on a lot of weight so his post defense has improved, and he's also a decent weakside shot-blocker when he feels like it. He could be Sheed-lite if he ever gets his head together, or even better if he goes inside more and also develops a better drive. Hard to tell what he'll be, but I am intrigued by it.

    5 guys, off the top of my head, who really need a change of scenery to unearth (or get back to) their true game:
    Bargnani
    Ty Thomas
    Sam Dalembert
    Sean Marion
    Chris Kaman

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    It's good to trade some of our wasted contracts for him who is still not fully discovered. what the raptors need is one or a pair of good wings, and finley may be preferable to the raptors though he is old. I would even add bowen to this trade if necessary, but no way I would trade one of our big three for him. We should bring any trade into consideration except those that involve our big three. Negotiation doesn't hurt our team but a good trade can upgrade our talent significantly. As the raptors has vended their former no.1 draft, I don't think they expect too much from him otherwise they would retain him. here is a good chance for any other team to get such a talented PF. Plus, he can definitely help his team expand market in Itlay.

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    Dude is a freakin' bust. No thanks and no thanks.
    Kinda leaning your direction. But we all know Pop loves a big who can shoot from beyond the arc, over a big who can rebound and block shots. Well at least it seems that way as of late.

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    Bonner is better than Bargnani
    Not even close. I like the Red Rocket but hes not better then Bargnani. Just look at the Video games. Even the little kids know the difference.

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    Bargnani is the Anti-Spur ... and not in the good way like Stephen Jackson was.

    -He doesn't try if he doesn't start. @ thinking how that would go over playing for Pop.

    -He's literally the worst bigman pick-and-roll defender in the league. The last few times the Spurs have gone against the Raptors, Pop just uses the gameplan of putting Bargnani in pick-and-rolls repeatedly. During the regular season, Pop rarely targets a poor defender ... but he attacks Bargnani non-stop.

    -He sucks at rebounding. The next contested rebound he pulls down will be his first.

    -His at ude is crap. He pouts when things aren't going his way and struggles with any type of adversity.

    -And while I don't have much of a problem with his offensive game, his scoring rate just continues to go down and down. He was scoring best during his rookie season. He'd need to average a lot of points to overcome his weaknesses ... so his scoring drying up isn't a good sign.

    Bargnani could put up good stats on a bad team but I highly doubt he'll ever do anything for a winning team. I wouldn't want anything to do with him on the Spurs. He'd be a horrible fit defensively and his personality would have Pop going Sprewell on him in about two weeks. Bargnani makes Beno look like Tim Duncan when it comes to having a team-first and winning at ude.

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    Bargnani is the Anti-Spur ... and not in the good way like Stephen Jackson was.

    -He doesn't try if he doesn't start. @ thinking how that would go over playing for Pop.

    -He's literally the worst bigman pick-and-roll defender in the league. The last few times the Spurs have gone against the Raptors, Pop just uses the gameplan of putting Bargnani in pick-and-rolls repeatedly. During the regular season, Pop rarely targets a poor defender ... but he attacks Bargnani non-stop.

    -He sucks at rebounding. The next contested rebound he pulls down will be his first.

    -His at ude is crap. He pouts when things aren't going his way and struggles with any type of adversity.

    -And while I don't have much of a problem with his offensive game, his scoring rate just continues to go down and down. He was scoring best during his rookie season. He'd need to average a lot of points to overcome his weaknesses ... so his scoring drying up isn't a good sign.

    Bargnani could put up good stats on a bad team but I highly doubt he'll ever do anything for a winning team. I wouldn't want anything to do with him on the Spurs. He'd be a horrible fit defensively and his personality would have Pop going Sprewell on him in about two weeks. Bargnani makes Beno look like Tim Duncan when it comes to having a team-first and winning at ude.
    I totally quote.

    Zero (zero) defense.

    I-don't-care at ude.

    No balls whatsoever.

    He wilol get his 10 ppg in another 2 or 3 lousy NBA teams over the next 3 or 4 years, get rich and finally head back to Europe, where he will continue his nonsense, loosing career.

    Another Udrih, with more height and far less talent.

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    Bonner is better than Bargnani

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    In the couple games that he got to start recently, he played well (26/6 and 19/6). In today's game, he has 13 at the half. So maybe he just needs to start
    http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=2987

    Check out the last 5 games and tell me if you think Bonner could put those numbers.
    The 5 blocks in one game also?

    If the Raptors are serious about getting rid of Bargnani I will go for it no doubt. I think that playing in a well coached contender is what this kid needs.
    He just scored 18 pts in a win VS Magic
    18 pts 7/15 fg 2/5 3pt 5rbds 3assts 1stl

    Another good game against a top team in the NBA.

    If we will be getting this kind of production from another big besides Tim, a lot of the guys here that are bashing Bargnani will be bragging of how good the Spurs are.
    ???

    .366 3G% this year and .360 career means he "sucks at shooting"?

    I think he's a bust as a #1 pick, but he's probably performing with most of his draft class. To call him an NBA bust is definitely premature and unwarranted.
    Not to mention he is shooting like 86% from the ft line. way to early to call him a bust. A bad number 1 pick, no doubt, but not a bust.......yet.
    I follow the Raptors and I used to live in Ontario, they're my 3rd favorite team next to the Spurs and Nets..

    Bargnani isn't as bad as a lot of you think he is..

    he is NOT a pure shooter..that's what he was supposed to be, but he isn't..he's not a guy that is a near-guarantee to make shots when he's open..he's a streaky shooter..

    the advantage he has over other bigs is his ability to drive..when Bargs is on, he drives to the basket really well..his problems with consistency are due to a few factors..he has confidence issues, where his offense becomes too robotic..he knows what he's going to do before he gets the ball, which makes him predictable at times..the other problem with his offense is that the Raptors keep switching him from the 3 to 5 positions..

    he's a SOLID low post defender..he's improved a lot in that regard, especially with his help D..he still needs to get better on the boards, but he's improved from years past..the difference with him this year is that he can provide in other parts when his offense is off..

    his problem continues to be consistency, and we'll see how that holds up..he's still young though..

    we CAN'T get him though..we don't have the pieces to get him..

    btw, he's definitely better than Bonner..
    Bargnani had 21 points on 7 of 13 shooting, including 5 of 6 from downtown and 2-2 at the line. He also had 8 rebounds, 2 assist, and 1 blk tonight.

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    Forget it, he doesn't have the aura that bonner gives off....And if Bonner evolves into Super Bonner, Bargnanny will cower in fear!!!
    Why do idiots think that Bonner is better than Bargnani? It must be because they're idiots.

    Bargnani is and always will be better than Bonner and I would like to see him on the spurs roster. He might not be deserving of being the #1 pick, but he has potential.

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    Are you sure Mason now is one of the Big 4??

    How about Hill and Finley?

    Finley is so hurt to hear that

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    Dude, Bargnani has been playing extremely well for over a month now. Over the last month he is averaging:

    49% from the field, 81% from the line, 43% from 3, 17.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 1.2 ast and .8 blks (which is down from his season avg.).

    He has also hit 2 or more 3's in 10 consecutive games which is an NBA record for centers.

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