Pau Gasol is more valuable than Kobe.

[angelbelow]

i dont like kobe but he the best player in the league. gasol isnt even the powerforward.

[mystargtr34]

The argument of this thread that Gasol is more valuable than Kobe.

Do you really believe Lorenzen Wright the second best player of that 50 win Memphis Grizzlies team?

Iv already stated that Kobe > Gasol.

And no, of course Lorenzen Wright wasnt the second best player on that team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MEM/2004.html

Only one player playing more than 20 MPG shot over 45%.

Battier was a second year guy playing 25 minutes stuck behind Posey who was the clear number 2 guy. Bonzi was horrible, missing 20+ games and putting up 12.3 points on .437%.

How about i rephrase it. He lead a team to 50 wins in a tough Western Conference with James Posey as his second best player. Or was it Jason Williams?

Anyway you put it, he had a second option who should be no more than a 4/5th option on a playoff team.

Just sayin, hes better than people think he is.

[mystargtr34]

1. LeBron
2. Wade
3. Howard
4. Dirk
5. Kobe
6. Roy
7. Duncan
8. Bosh
9. KG
10. Pierce
12. Joe Johnson
13. CP3
14. Deron Williams
15. Billups

(no particular order)

No he isn't.

Gasol > Billups.

Gasol had even more of an impact on the Lakers when he arrived than Billups did on the Nuggets.

[JamStone]

And no, of course Lorenzen Wright wasnt the second best player on that team.

That's what I was arguing about your initial post.

[Allanon]

It's possible some of you were taken in by Kobe's mediocre play to start the season. In November/early December, he probably looked like the 20th best player in the NBA. I think it was him trying to get all the guys into the fold and giving them the opportunities to boost their confidence.

But as of around mid-December, he's back.

Right now, Kobe is playing THE BEST basketball of his career...just watch a game and you'll see.

He's "gotten it" in regards to balancing his personal #'s AND his teammates.

[mystargtr34]

That's what I was arguing about your initial post.

Right. He was still a key cog in a 50 win team.

1. Gasol
--------
2. Posey
3. Williams

Im struggling to find 50 win team with such ty 2 and 3 options. Alot of their success had to do with their team defense, but Gasol still lead an awful team to 50 wins.

[JamStone]

Right. He was still a key cog in a 50 win team.

1. Gasol
--------
2. Posey
3. Williams

Im struggling to find 50 win team with such ty 2 and 3 options. Alot of their success had to do with their team defense, but Gasol still lead an awful team to 50 wins.

You're missing the point I criticized your initial post. You specifically stated:

Gasol lead a team to 50 wins whos second best player was Lorenzen Wright.

That is so far beyond the truth to try to strengthen what you were saying that it was ridiculous enough to take any merit away from your point to begin with.

[mystargtr34]

You're missing the point I criticized your initial post. You specifically stated:



That is so far beyond the truth to try to strengthen what you were saying that it was ridiculous enough to take any merit away from your point to begin with.

Now i am altering my point because i admit i was exaggerating in my initial point.

What i should have said was 'he lead a team to 50 wins with Lorenzen Wright as one of his main guys - which he was.

Your right, you stated that Lorenzen Wright was not the second best player on the team when i stated that he was. Score one for JamStone, ask Kori to give you a Spur.

[mystargtr34]

You're missing the point I criticized your initial post. You specifically stated:



That is so far beyond the truth to try to strengthen what you were saying that it was ridiculous enough to take any merit away from your point to begin with.

My point in opening up this thread and giving my opinion was to point out that Pau Gasol was a better player than people think he is. Its not about how good or great Lorenzen Wright is.

If you want to concentrate on that one point that i made which you know was an exaggeration as much as i do, thats fine - ill continue on with the thread.

[turiaf for president]

the only reason that team didnt have a significant no 2 averaging ton of points was that team was deep. they had 10 guys average 19.6 minutes or more. they all played at least 65 games except wells who played 59. gasol only averaged 31.5 minutes per game.

Gasol is indeed a better player than people think he is, but to say he is more valuable than kobe is like saying bibby is more important than joe johnson on the hawks since bibby led the kings to the playoffs that year webber was traded away

[JamStone]

Saying the 7th or 8th best player on a team was the 2nd best player on that team is not an exaggeration. It's so stupid that even if the rest of your opinion is actually accurate and insightful, you still sound stupid for saying the 7th or 8th player on a team was the 2nd best player and it takes away any credibility of any accurate or insightful points to your opinion.

That was my point.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Kobe has already proved in the '05 and '06 seasons that he could score at will all by his lonesome. He's 30 years old right now, his body can't do the things he used to be able to do.

You don't average 35 ppg and score 81 pts in a game if your some ing scrub. Kobe is not overrated. He has consistently been the best perimeter player in the league for about the last decade. Give him some ing props for christ sakes.

I'm not saying he sucks when Fisher isn't on his team no need to be defensive with someone who's actually agreeing with you. My point is that in order for Kobe to play with greater efficiency he needs a veteran PG who knows the triangle well and can set the offense up and deliver it to Kobe in the right places.

That's by no means a diss towards Kobe or anything, it's a mere rebuttal to the "Kobe needs Gasol" claim showing that his numbers going up the season Gasol arrived was a mere coincidence that Fisher arrived the same season. Fisher is also underrated and deserves more credit.

[mystargtr34]

the only reason that team didnt have a significant no 2 averaging ton of points was that team was deep. they had 10 guys average 19.6 minutes or more. they all played at least 65 games except wells who played 59. gasol only averaged 31.5 minutes per game.

Gasol is indeed a better player than people think he is, but to say he is more valuable than kobe is like saying bibby is more important than joe johnson on the hawks since bibby led the kings to the playoffs that year webber was traded away

The team was deep - but it was deep with scrubs playing meaningful minutes.

Of course Kobe is better, more important, more valuable, sexier whatever.

[Rapper]

It's so surprise for me to see that this thread causes a lot of replies.

However, I stll maintain my original thought

On the other hand I also appreciate those who take my part.just as kobe said,

"Somebody hates me, hates my games, hates my fadeaway ", and hates the truth they disagree with.

end of the story

[SmellyFeet]

Stupid .

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Look at Gasol, jumper,Rebs, assist, hook shot, Dunk, offense, defense,he is a total package so that he is the real MVP in the Lakers.

This makes absolutely no sense. It's about as re ed as when SD says, "They just made some shots and grabbed some rebounds."

[z0sa]

Kobe without Pau does not make a contender. Pau without Kobe doesn't make a contender.

Pau + Kobe = contender. Kobe is more valuable, but its honestly pointless because without Pau, Kobe would continue to be expected to do essentially nothing in the postseason, and the same goes for Pau without Kobe.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Kobe without Pau does not make a contender. Pau without Kobe doesn't make a contender.

Pau + Kobe = contender. Kobe is more valuable, but its honestly pointless because without Pau, Kobe would continue to be expected to do essentially nothing in the postseason, and the same goes for Pau without Kobe.

Forgive Kobe for needing a reliable 2nd option, god there are ways to criticize Kobe but this whole thread takes it over the line.

MJ never advanced past the 1st round without Pippen and never carried a team to 50 wins without Pippen, but Pippen carried a team to 55 wins without Jordan and with Horace Grant as the 2nd best player. I guess using the logic of this thread Pippen was more important to the Bull's dynasty than Jordan.

[mystargtr34]

The team Jordan had without Pippen was alot different to the team Pippen had without Jordan.

[mystargtr34]

But i see your point.

[mavsluva]

oh and how many les have you won since 04? or in 04? lol gtfo

Probably not too many. He doesn't play NBA basketball. Nor do you.