time to cut tolliver and sign sims ?

[Johnny RIngo]

Yes, give up on the 23 year old.

Again, Tolliver's FG% is .292 . Spurs desperately need guys that can score and rebound. The last thing we need is another black hole on offense.

[SenorSpur]

I really like Tolliver's energy and heart, but it seems to me that the Spurs' greatest weakness is the fact that they are undersized generally and short at least one big body defensively in the paint. Also, they don't get to the FT line much, and they have trouble out-rebounding teams. As much as I like him, Tolliver doesn't address most of these issues, and I just don't think that another potential 3 pt shooting guy is going to really accomplish much-- the Spurs are already the best 3 pt shooting team in the NBA, without him.

As others have stated, I like Tolliver too. Despite his poor shooting pct, he's got skills that, if developed, can possibly translate into him becoming a contributing player. The fact that he's smart, a good passer and has picked up most of the Spurs defensive schemes is a credit.

As Tully mentioned above, the Spurs are undersized, as far as defending the post, rebounding and protecting the paint are concerned. This continues to be a glaring weakness that caught up to them in last year's playoffs. It absolutely has to be addressed heading into the middle of the season.

That said, if the Spurs wanted to waive Tolliver in order to bring in a contributing big that can help Tim do some heavy lifting for 10-12 mins a night, I'd be OK with that.

[Tully365]

Again, I don't think Sims will be a world-beater... but remember, the Spurs won championships with guys like Elson, Nazr, and Rasho helping Tim defend the post. Mahinmi has still yet to be declared healthy, so it just makes sense to me to give Sims a ten day tryout.

[dbestpro]

Sims would be of no help. Only a vet could come in and contribute at this late point in the season. Sims is the kind of player you go to camp with. All he would do is make mistakes in our complicated system.

[angelbelow]

well i can see the fascination in tolliver however we need length... this is a tough call and there will be no way of knowing what is right or what is wrong until we make decision.

[galvatron3000]

I'm wondering why no team has called Sims yet, is there something about his game they don't think will translate or is it financial? Is he athletic or just smarter? Why does he rebound and block shots so well?

[ChumpDumper]

I think several teams want to see him in person before calling him up. Someone like Davidson is a bit more of a known quan y and Sims never showed this level of play last season.

[mathbzh]

Again, Tolliver's FG% is .292 . Spurs desperately need guys that can score and rebound. The last thing we need is another black hole on offense.

Not to be pessimistic but the Spurs can't afford a big who can score AND rebound.

[Manufan909]

I think several teams want to see him in person before calling him up. Someone like Davidson is a bit more of a known quan y and Sims never showed this level of play last season.

Why do you think he is doing so well all of a sudden?

[Obstructed_View]

Tolliver should take one giant step closer to the basket and spot up there.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Tolliver could well end up being waived but I beg to differ! Granted he's not shooting well at the moment and he's raw but he's showing so much more than that and I don't remember another undrafted rookie playing as much for Pop as him. Pop knows he can shoot and he will eventually figure it out, what matters is that his BBIQ seems to be good, he's learning the system as well as you could expect from a rookie and he's willing to hustle, rebound, pass, defend and improve. I'm very impressed with him and when he starts shooting well, which could well be a couple of years away now, he'll be a very decent rotation player in the NBA. Unlike Sims who at best could be a 4/5th big someday IMO.

[m33p0]

Tolliver should take one giant step closer to the basket and spot up there.

[boutons_]

Tolliver's value would go way up if we would quit shooting 3s, which is not what the Spurs need.

Missing those wide-open shots, over and over and over, the defense ignores him, (instead of being spread) negates all the other good stuff he does.

I hate when when he finally makes one, since that prolongs the stupidity.

[mrspurs]

If Spurs dont sign or trade for a Big by Febuary i expect an Horry call up....

I hate to say it too. But I can see Cheap Shot Bob talking on the phone with the Spurs. But not to come in and play. More of a insurance policy come PO time. For insurance no problem. But theres noway he can come in and help this team. He isnt an inside threat. Like PJ Brown was. Horrys just gonna chunk up 3s and we have enough tall guys who can do that imo.

[mrspurs]

Tolliver's value would go way up if we would quit shooting 3s, which is not what the Spurs need.

Missing those wide-open shots, over and over and over, the defense ignores him, (instead of being spread) negates all the other good stuff he does.

I hate when when he finally makes one, since that prolongs the stupidity.

I hear ya.

[mrspurs]

I still like AT. He has played better then the normal rookie. On a veteran team not a sorry still learning how to play together team. If this kids Sims was as good as the D-league says he is. And we're talking the D-league lol. He would have already been grabbed imo. Teams are always looking for Bigs.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, you're an idiot.

If he hasn't been called up, Sims is about to play in the showcase against Dakota, which has one of the best groups of frontline players in the league -- Richard Hendrix, Rod Benson, Will Frisby.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/webcastDleague.html

[silverblackfan]

I say hang on to the 23 year old Rookie. His hustle and BB IQ remind me of Malik. He has the range and a good arc on his shot. Once his nerves and confidence align with his playing time, he will be a great help.
I am all for going after a big, if available and Ian is out for the season. Otherwise, wait for the results on Ian's ankle and continue to develop this team as is.
One of the best lines that Pop has ever delivered was when he told the group that there will not be any trades. They would have to get it done with the team they got. I like that bunker mentality about the Spurs, especially after the RRT.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm surprised Sims is matched up against Frisby instead of Hendrix on both ends. Blocks are coming pretty easy because of his size advantage. Frisby backed him down pretty easily for one basket down low, though.

[superbigtime]

Tolliver is sucking ass. Would like to cut Tolliver, sign SIMS, move JV to coach who we could reactivate if there is some sort of PG disaster (in which case we're ed anyway) and bring up Hairston. Tolliver just isn't working out.

[Yorae]

Let's just cut his ankles and give it to ian!!!! Come on!!!!

[m33p0]

Let's just cut his ankles and give it to ian!!!! Come on!!!!

hay... if we must. i'll go get the chainsaw.

[Yorae]

Go. I'll do the sewing.

[toki9]

i don't understand all this love for Tolliver, especially given all the hatred for Mahinmi (and his ankles)...

[m33p0]

i don't understand all this love for Tolliver, especially given all the hatred for Mahinmi (and his ankles)...

because he passes the ball to tim.... INSIDE!