Would you track your kids via GPS?

[Kermit]

yes.

But right now I'm trying to get my head wrapped around fused labia. How the is that even possible. Now I've got to give my little one estrogen, and she's going have the biggest fifteen month-old breasts in her class! So yes, GPS for me please. Last thing I need is little Timmy feeling her up and asking his mommy if she can come over for cookies.

[DarkReign]

Okay, I understand what DR is saying. When I was a kid I never wore a helmet when riding my bike but I did crack my skull open and came home with a face full of blood and I lived and me and my brother were gone from sun up to sun down during our summer days. But we were boys and times were different.

No they werent. Not even remotely different. If anything, its better.

Dont harken back to yester-year as some Golden Age when it was far, FAR from it. People talk about the 50s like morality was higher and crime was less.

Thats complete and utter bull .

The ONLY difference between when you were young and now is the 24hour news cycle.

Thats it.

[I Love Me Some Me]

This watch is just another form of this monstrosity.



I dont know how anyone can see that and not feel how degrading it is for both the child and the parent, the worst part is the child cant even understand how degrading it is. Can you imagine putting something like that on an 11 year old?

Katt Williams has a funny bit about those things.

[phyzik]

yes!!! I already do! We put a GPS locator in my daughter's car when she started driving. It tells us where she is, how fast she is going, how long she was at someplace, when the ignition is turned off & on. You can also set electronic fences. If the car ventures outside a certain geographical area you have set up during a specified time it will alert you. That's great to make sure they don't leave the school during school hours. It also gets us a discount on our insurance as an anti-theft device. She hated having it at first but changed her mind after she had that accident on Borgfeld in August. It proved she wasn't speeding when the accident happened.
And before any of you say how she'll find a way to sneak around it, I realize that if she wants to get away with something all she has to do is go in someone else's car but then it will tell me she left her car sitting somewhere for 4 hours or whatever. It isn't foolproof but it's one more tool in our arsenal of parenting a teenager.

Its a great concept but you do realize this will be coming in all vehicles when OBD3 is released, its a double edged sword... its already partly in place with on-star.

Dont you feel just a little uncomfortable that "the man" will be able to mail you a speeding ticket just by accessing the system and no one ever witnessing it first hand?

Take it to the extreme (I doubt it will ever happen) and lets say there is practically no fuel left for our Nation so the government decides to not allow any civilian vehicles to start up and send out a mass termination code.

Insurance companies are already looking into this stuff. Here's a scenario. Your driving down the street, a deer jumps out of the woods and you swerve hitting a wet spot on the road, in a panic you try to correct the slide but freak out and slam on the gas causing you to spin out and hit a tree. The insurance company hears your claim that it was a deer and they pay your claim. They review the data from your car and notice the RPM increase just before your wreck. That may influence them to increase your rate even more since you are an aggressive driver.

what happens when the vindictive girlfriend/boyfriend who works for On-star or even the Department of Motor vehicles decides to screw with your ride?

There are all sorts of good that can be done with these things but there are also all sorts of bad things that they can be abused for. I just think its too much power to have over anyone.

[JoeChalupa]

No they werent. Not even remotely different. If anything, its better.

Dont harken back to yester-year as some Golden Age when it was far, FAR from it. People talk about the 50s like morality was higher and crime was less.

Thats complete and utter bull .

The ONLY difference between when you were young and now is the 24hour news cycle.

Thats it.

I disagree. Things HAVE changed, IMO. The way kids act in school these is FAR different then when I was in school. But I could be wrong. I just don't remember kids taking guns to school and punching and sleeping with teachers, although I would have loved to tap some mine, but if you see it differently I can understand that.

[DarkReign]

FIRST, if you don't have kids, you can't tell someone not to be protective of theirs.

I can say any damn thing I want about anything under the sun, thank you much.

Youre absolutely right, you as a parent can put your children through whatever redundant bootcamp of childhood that you have been spoonfed to you by the parental protection agencies looking for donation dollars and a rating-driven media whose sole purpose in fear-mongering is ratings.

, you could even dress your soon-to-be-ridiculed child in a rubber suit for the infinitesimally small chance they might fall down while walking and hurt their precious selves.

But why stop there!

Why dont you put them in an climate controlled (heat/cold confluence), windowless room (UV rays cause cancer!) in your basement (going to need a de-humidifer) where you can sanitize their every meal (germs!) and home school them (kids with germs!) while also teaching them the importance of bike safety and stranger danger.

Or.....or maybe, just maybe....Sheesh I dont know....maybe you could....hmmmm, how to put this...

Maybe you could just go ahead and let them learn on their own. Like you did.

I dont know, I dont know....just an idea.

I mean, Bubble Boy was a stupid movie, but I am now seeing its relevance. Get over it. Half of childhood is learning thru "pain education". Fire is hot, ise water is cold, jumping off a building is a bad idea, dont play in the street, bike tricks are only cool when you land them, etc.

As for a GPS on your kids car, I dont hold the same belief. Obviously, I would never do that, but whatever. Makes sense. At least the chance of teenage death in a car accident is a number greater than ZERO.

Sheesh...

[DarkReign]

I disagree. Things HAVE changed, IMO. The way kids act in school these is FAR different then when I was in school. But I could be wrong. I just don't remember kids taking guns to school and punching and sleeping with teachers, although I would have loved to tap some mine, but if you see it differently I can understand that. Just don't expect to buy it since to me..it is utter bull .

My father was banging his English teacher in 1964. Then she had the nerve to fail him.

Guns to school. Cant argue there. No question.

Teacher assaults were as common then as they are now, IMO. , back then, the teacher would knock your young ass out, then tell your father, who then kicked your ass again FAR worse.

So really you have a prevelance of guns in school. Do you live in a....modest area? The school your children attend, does it have a gun problem?

If it does, then I question your parenthood for sending them there. If it doesnt, youre a self-fulfilling prophecy of "fear = actual threat".

[DarkReign]

Damn right I do. And their seat belts too for they are my most precious cargo.

Did you wear a helmet when you were a kid?

Tell me, howd that work out for you? Brain damaged, I am completely sure, right?

[JoeChalupa]

I was expecting the "bubble boy" reference to come out and sure enough.

[to21]

I can say any damn thing I want about anything under the sun, thank you much.

Youre absolutely right, you as a parent can put your children through whatever redundant bootcamp of childhood that you have been spoonfed to you by the parental protection agencies looking for donation dollars and a rating-driven media whose sole purpose in fear-mongering is ratings.

, you could even dress your soon-to-be-ridiculed child in a rubber suit for the infinitesimally small chance they might fall down while walking and hurt their precious selves.

But why stop there!

Why dont you put them in an climate controlled (heat/cold confluence), windowless room (UV rays cause cancer!) in your basement (going to need a de-humidifer) where you can sanitize their every meal (germs!) and home school them (kids with germs!) while also teaching them the importance of bike safety and stranger danger.

Or.....or maybe, just maybe....Sheesh I dont know....maybe you could....hmmmm, how to put this...

Maybe you could just go ahead and let them learn on their own. Like you did.

I dont know, I dont know....just an idea.

I mean, Bubble Boy was a stupid movie, but I am now seeing its relevance. Get over it. Half of childhood is learning thru "pain education". Fire is hot, ise water is cold, jumping off a building is a bad idea, dont play in the street, bike tricks are only cool when you land them, etc.

As for a GPS on your kids car, I dont hold the same belief. Obviously, I would never do that, but whatever. Makes sense. At least the chance of teenage death in a car accident is a number greater than ZERO.

Sheesh...

Ur right, you can say whatever the you want.

You don't about me or how I raise my kids. If I'm a bad parent for wanting to know where my kids are then so be it. You won't see me on the news with CPS asking me about my parenting skills. No where did I say put ur kids in a bubble. My kid plays football, warcraft, eats candy, stays up till four in the morning textn' girls, doesn't bathe as much as he should, but dammit if I know where he is while he does it.

[JoeChalupa]

Did you wear a helmet when you were a kid?

Tell me, howd that work out for you? Brain damaged, I am completely sure, right?

No I didn't but I did crack my skull. I lived. But if wearing a helmet will protect my kids skull then I am all for it. Nobody is forcing you or your kids to wear one.

[JoeChalupa]

My father was banging his English teacher in 1964. Then she had the nerve to fail him.

Guns to school. Cant argue there. No question.

Teacher assaults were as common then as they are now, IMO. , back then, the teacher would knock your young ass out, then tell your father, who then kicked your ass again FAR worse.

So really you have a prevelance of guns in school. Do you live in a....modest area? The school your children attend, does it have a gun problem?

If it does, then I question your parenthood for sending them there. If it doesnt, youre a self-fulfilling prophecy of "fear = actual threat".

I'm just saying that when I was in school I never heard of any kid assaulting a teacher and I live in a modest area but if you think that guns and violence don't happen in upper class neighborhoods you are sadly mistaken. I'll parent the way I see fit for my children and you more then welcome to do the same. I won't think any more or less of you.

Oh, and your dad is just telling you a story.

[DarkReign]

Okay, I understand what DR is saying. When I was a kid I never wore a helmet when riding my bike but I did crack my skull open and came home with a face full of blood and I lived and me and my brother were gone from sun up to sun down during our summer days. But we were boys and times were different. I admit that I am very protective of my girls and while I know that I cannot protect them 24/7 I will do everything in my power to do so. I see young girls walking around after dark and while that may be fine for some parents I just don't roll that way. If my oldest goes to a friends house I must know the address and have a phone# to that friends parent/guardian who live in that house. No excuses. But that is just me. I may be in the minority and not a "cool" parent but those are my rules.

See, nothing you said there is overprotective.

but when you start receiving emails when your kid is late to class, or slapping GPS on their wrists, you start to see the poignancy, I guess.

[DarkReign]

Oh, and your dad is just telling you a story.

A story backed up by his 2 brothers, his sister and his stable of friends.

Oh, and including my mother. They started dating afterword for reasons completely unrelated (obviously).

[DarkReign]

Whatever...

The PTA wins. Score one for fear-mongering.

[to21]

Whatever...

The PTA wins. Score one for fear-mongering.

You mean you are not part of the clan who doesn't want GPS in cars for fear of big brother sending out a code turning off all cars?

[I Love Me Some Me]

I really just want a GPS on my daugher's clothes, and I want to be notified when they start to come off.

[ToughActinTinactin]

A story backed up by his 2 brothers, his sister and his stable of friends.

Oh, and including my mother. They started dating afterword for reasons completely unrelated (obviously).

Your dad must be into voyeurism.

[Blake]

To put it into perspective, a child has 10x the risk of dying while playing youth sports than of being kidnapped.


Ban youth sports.

not even in the same galaxy of being two related issues.

[Blake]

Over ninety percent of abductions come from family or friends of family.

You're better off introducing your child to complete strangers than your own inner circle.

great. So when my child's GPS signal goes off and it shows she's at Uncle Albert's house, I'll know right away whose ass to kick.

apples and monkeys.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

not even in the same galaxy of being two related issues.

Which is why I didn't say they were related.

Thanks, though.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

great. So when my child's GPS signal goes off and it shows she's at Uncle Albert's house, I'll know right away whose ass to kick.

apples and monkeys.

So you'd make your kid wear a locater when with family?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

AH, I gotcha. Uncle Al would snatch the kid and leave the locater on.

Right.

[Blake]

No they werent. Not even remotely different. If anything, its better.

Dont harken back to yester-year as some Golden Age when it was far, FAR from it. People talk about the 50s like morality was higher and crime was less.

Thats complete and utter bull .

The ONLY difference between when you were young and now is the 24hour news cycle.

Thats it.

The difference is today we have learned from our mistakes.

Obviously you still ride around without your helmet.

[Blake]

Its a great concept but you do realize this will be coming in all vehicles when OBD3 is released, its a double edged sword... its already partly in place with on-star.

Dont you feel just a little uncomfortable that "the man" will be able to mail you a speeding ticket just by accessing the system and no one ever witnessing it first hand?

Take it to the extreme (I doubt it will ever happen) and lets say there is practically no fuel left for our Nation so the government decides to not allow any civilian vehicles to start up and send out a mass termination code.

Insurance companies are already looking into this stuff. Here's a scenario. Your driving down the street, a deer jumps out of the woods and you swerve hitting a wet spot on the road, in a panic you try to correct the slide but freak out and slam on the gas causing you to spin out and hit a tree. The insurance company hears your claim that it was a deer and they pay your claim. They review the data from your car and notice the RPM increase just before your wreck. That may influence them to increase your rate even more since you are an aggressive driver.

what happens when the vindictive girlfriend/boyfriend who works for On-star or even the Department of Motor vehicles decides to screw with your ride?

There are all sorts of good that can be done with these things but there are also all sorts of bad things that they can be abused for. I just think its too much power to have over anyone.

now see, this is a good example of paranoia......just on the flip side.

by the way, those camera speeding tickets have been constantly getting tossed out as uncons utional.