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    Why can't we let them blow each other up then when there's nothing left we go in there and take all their too? It's the American way come on!

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    Yeah sure stupid ass. And the Israelis aren't racist at all right? Go to .
    You were born about 70 years too late for your true calling. And in the wrong country.

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    You were born about 70 years too late for your true calling. And in the wrong country.

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    If anybody cares, a pretty good discussion of ongoing hostilities in Gaza from a orthodox just war perspective, can be found here.

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    I wonder what would happen if the American Revolution were to occur today.

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    WRONG.


    There are many "oppressed" people in the world that don't launch random rocket attacks into populated areas and don't send their kids into crowded areas with the sole purpose of blowing themselves up and killing as many innocent bystanders as possible.

    WTF about jihad don't you get?
    Patrick Henry, the original Jihadist.

    Or maybe he was just an expert at Hyperbole.

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    I wonder what would happen if the American Revolution were to occur today.

    Mr. Washingon would be a dangerous terrorist by English standards.

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    Fundamentalist Christians, neocons and Jews here in the US compel our country to provide support for Zionist Israelis to continue to grab land from the Palestinians. Muslim countries use the conflict to keep their people outwardly focused so that they tolerate oppressive governments and a lack of opportunity. Russia does what it can to keep the pot stirred because instability in the region generates a higher price for oil. Palestinians elect Hamas and get the war they wanted although with quite different results. The whole dynamic may change with a new administration, an erosion of the power of Christians and neocons here and a s acking of Hamas. What can you do besides hope?

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    I must need to brush up on my history. I can't recall American revolutionaries firing on and targeting British civilians.

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    I must need to brush up on my history. I can't recall American revolutionaries firing on and targeting British civilians.
    well...when you feed of the most powerful military on the face of the planet (us), you will need some target practice. I can't believe we are sending theses bas s more ammo.

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    well...when you feed of the most powerful military on the face of the planet (us), you will need some target practice. I can't believe we are sending theses bas s more ammo.
    What?

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    I must need to brush up on my history. I can't recall American revolutionaries firing on and targeting British civilians.
    Back then, America would use guerrilla tactics to fight the British. I'm guessing that's what Manny's reffering to.

    Its true, they did not target civilians, but the point is, back then the British did not appreciate the American's not repecting their rules of engagement. Things like using ambushes instead of open battles or specifically targetting officers. Back then the British would probably have considered such tactics, terrorism.

    Times have changed obviously, but the point is still valid.

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    Back then, America would use guerrilla tactics to fight the British. I'm guessing that's what Manny's reffering to.

    Its true, they did not target civilians, but the point is, back then the British did not appreciate the American's not repecting their rules of engagement. Things like using ambushes instead of open battles or specifically targetting officers. Back then the British would probably have considered such tactics, terrorism.

    Times have changed obviously, but the point is still valid.
    It's not valid when the targets of the actions are completely different. It's a bad analogy. Unless I'm mistaken and American Revolutionaries targeted British civilians.

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    I lived in Israel for 11 years, and I just gave up on this whole mess. Israel opresses palestinians. palestinians fire rockets at israel. israel tries to stop those rocket attacks. Play over and over. Who started this cycle? doesn't really matter at this point, does it? I just really can't think of a solution.

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    If they developed and bought their own weapons (they can't) they wouldn't have anyone for target practice.

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    I must need to brush up on my history. I can't recall American revolutionaries firing on and targeting British civilians.
    If you're going to make an argument that American colonialists were adverse to targeting civilians then i completely agree you need to brush up on your history. Or perhaps I need to just mention the words Native Americans in order to jog your memory a bit. Of course its a lot harder to attack the majority of the civilian population when its an ocean a way as opposed to right next door but what on earth would ever make you think that they were adverse to that type of action considering their track record is beyond me.

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    If they developed and bought their own weapons (they can't) they wouldn't have anyone for target practice.
    What the are you talking about? What does that have to do with the analogy I was responding to?

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    If you're going to make an argument that American colonialists were adverse to targeting civilians then i completely agree you need to brush up on your history. Or perhaps I need to just mention the words Native Americans in order to jog your memory a bit. Of course its a lot harder to attack the majority of the civilian population when its an ocean a way as opposed to right next door but what on earth would ever make you think that they were adverse to that type of action considering their track record is beyond me.
    This would be a good argument if it wasn't completely irrelevant. Now if you wanna equate the Palestinians to the Native Americans, then you would have something.

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    Well, they're fighting like they mean it. If we'd have done the same, Nam would have been easier.

    At least Hamas is going down.

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    This would be a good argument if it wasn't completely irrelevant. Now if you wanna equate the Palestinians to the Native Americans, then you would have something.
    Actually no - I equated the Palestinians to American Revolutionaries. You responded by saying that held no water because Americans never attacked civilians. I then used Native Americans as an example of where they did just that.

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    Actually no - I equated the Palestinians to American Revolutionaries. You responded by saying that held no water because Americans never attacked civilians. I then used Native Americans as an example of where they did just that.
    Yes. It's irrelevant in the context on this argument. Unless you want to claim the native americans are analogous to the palestinians.

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    You claim the Americans didn't target civilians. They did and the native Americans are that proof. It isn't a very difficult concept.

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    Shouldn't the Palestinians be the Native Americans?

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    Human shields...


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    Shouldn't the Palestinians be the Native Americans?
    If so then you'd have to say that Isreal is doing the right thing by slaughtering the Palestinians.

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