If we can get Marcin Gortat,I think we will be a better team.

[kenson-q]

Your English is better than some of our other posters who are native citizens. Hint: In order to distinguish separate thoughts in sentences, you need to use periods instead of commas. Welcome.

PS. I looked into teaching English in China a few years ago. How did you learn your second language?

Thank you for your advice.We learn English in our language lesson in our school.We talk less,so I can't Communicate with you easily.

[kenson-q]

And he hadn't even played with Howard at all this season. If he's too immobile to play next to Howard, how do you expect him to play next to Duncan?

I don't agree with you at this point.I saw the game he played today,he moves quickly.I think he would be a good partner of Tim.

[DAF86]

So great that he's sub-40% at the rim in his last ten games? He also hasn't made a shot outside the paint this season. I'm sure that'd be a great partner for Duncan

If you are going to go by the last ten games, then we have to say that Manu can't shoot the three.

Fail. As of the last time 82games updated their player pairs, Gortat had played about 85% of his minutes in small ball lineups. And he hadn't even played with Howard at all this season. If he's too immobile to play next to Howard, how do you expect him to play next to Duncan?

I'm speaking from what I saw in matches, I didn't look at his numbers. In every game I saw from the Magic this year he cames in when Howard needs a rest to play along Battie. But given that I didn't even see half of Orlando's games I give you that his numbers could be inflated, but no matter that fact he's still a lot batter at rebounding and blocking than Oberto, Thomas or Bonner.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Kurt Thomas >>> Marcin Gortat

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

George Hill for Marcin Gortat?

WTF?

I agree, I scratched my head when multiple Spurs fans were calling for Hill for Gortat.

IMO their more pressing need is at SF than C.

[DAF86]

What about Adonal Foyle for Vaughn and something more that could interest the Magic?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...9~24&te=&cash=

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What about Adonal Foyle for Vaughn and something more that could interest the Magic?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...9~24&te=&cash=

What exactly does Adonal Foyle do for the Spurs that Kurt Thomas doesn't do?

[DAF86]

What exactly does Adonal Foyle do for the Spurs that Kurt Thomas doesn't do?

More size, it never hurts to have another body to throw at the Gasols, Bynums and Shaqs of the western conference.

[DAF86]

The question is what do we lose with a Vaugn for Foyle trade

[polandprzem]

Marcin is the only polish guy in the leauge so



go easy on him



I realy believe that he can be a realy good in the leauge. In the future I see him in the S5 of any team in this leauge.

Trade him now for Hill? Umm no!

Orlando won't give up on Gortat, because he is a hard worker and is providing good chemistry in this club.
We do not have nobody we can sell who Orlando wants (Oberto, Jaque, Bowen)

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

More size, it never hurts to have another body to throw at the Gasols, Bynums and Shaqs of the western conference.

You've def watched more games than me so your observations have more basis than mine but from the games I've seen size isn't the problem athleticism and perimeter defense has been a bigger problem. They've won les with stiffs at center, they've never won les with the weak D they're getting from the SF position.

There might be a few laughs at this but Louis Amundson of the Suns (ponytail guy) would help the Spurs a lot right now. He is a smarter player than given credit for, defends the PF's who rely solely on athleticism mismatches (Amare, Dirk, Odom, West), and rebounds extremely well. Just a thought.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The question is what do we lose with a Vaugn for Foyle trade

That's true, I'm just saying it wouldn't solve any problems, but it wouldn't create any problems either.

[DAF86]

You've def watched more games than me so your observations have more basis than mine but from the games I've seen size isn't the problem athleticism and perimeter defense has been a bigger problem. They've won les with stiffs at center, they've never won les with the weak D they're getting from the SF position.

There might be a few laughs at this but Louis Amundson of the Suns (ponytail guy) would help the Spurs a lot right now. He is a smarter player than given credit for, defends the PF's who rely solely on athleticism mismatches (Amare, Dirk, Odom, West), and rebounds extremely well. Just a thought.

Thomas is OK but we need a little more presence inside besides Duncan, Kurt is pretty solid, smart and can hit the mid jumper but he's a little bit small for a C or PF and he doesn't jump so he isn't much of a presnce inside in terms of contesting shots. That's what I think this team is lacking.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Thomas is OK but we need a little more presence inside besides Duncan, Kurt is pretty solid, smart and can hit the mid jumper but he's a little bit small for a C or PF and he doesn't jump so he isn't much of a presnce inside in terms of contesting shots. That's what I think this team is lacking.

That's where we disagree. KT is great at contesting shots and great at denying post position, you're selling his interior D a little short.

[DAF86]

That's where we disagree. KT is great at contesting shots and great at denying post position, you're selling his interior D a little short.

There's a reason why 99% of Spurs fans want to get a big that can rebound and block shots before the trade deadline.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

There's a reason why 99% of Spurs fans want to get a big that can rebound and block shots before the trade deadline.

Thomas's shot blocking and help defense does suck I agree there, but IMO getting a SF who can defend so Thomas doesn't have to play help defense as much could be a better solution.

[kenson-q]

Glad to see you guys talking this topic severely.Here I want to explain why we need Gortat.

1.LA will be our main compe or .How to beat LA will be the problem we are going to face.They have two big guys ,and both of them have speed and height.Looking back to our team,what we lack is speed and height.Thomas will be the only guy who can defend them,however,he is too old to catch up with them.When Thomas face them,this two guys can use their speed and footsteps to pass him easily.Even if Thomas catchs up with them,they use their height to shot without any threat.It is different from last season.now they have Bynum who will be a big threat in paint area.

2.Why we need Gortat?Just like what I introduced.This guy has height and speed.He plays D and he is so young that he can play at least 30 MINs.He can get REB and provide blocks.

3.It's possible to trade him.He plays few minutes in magic and his contract will end after this season.He is not so important because of the super man.In some games he can't even get one minute to play.And he plays in a low key.We get picks, due contracts and the rights of signing other players like Splitter.Why can't we get him?If the two sides trade not work,maybe we can try a three-way deal.There is always a way to get this guy.I believe he can can take palce of Splitter.

[kenson-q]

Gortat grab 5 REB in 10 Mins.The game is not finished yet.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Did you see Gortat play? He's very good. He will be more than a role player in the future. The Spurs need to set their priorities straight, there's no place for both Parker and Hill in the future, eventually one will go, and something tells me that one is George. I will trade a promising big man for a promising PG everyday of the week. Specially with our situation.

Yes, he's a decent backup on a cheap contract. So why would Orlando give him up?

Of course I know that hill has the talent like you said.But with Parker,he has no room to make progress.

Wrong. He can and will also play the 2. He'll have plenty of opportunity to develop.

Do you know what this team would be like without him? Have you seen Jacque Vaughn?

Exactly. Fine in 2007. Today, not so much.

George Hill for Marcin Gortat?

WTF?

Exactly.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Glad to see you guys talking this topic severely.Here I want to explain why we need Gortat.

1.LA will be our main compe or .How to beat LA will be the problem we are going to face.They have two big guys ,and both of them have speed and height.Looking back to our team,what we lack is speed and height.Thomas will be the only guy who can defend them,however,he is too old to catch up with them.When Thomas face them,this two guys can use their speed and footsteps to pass him easily.Even if Thomas catchs up with them,they use their height to shot without any threat.It is different from last season.now they have Bynum who will be a big threat in paint area.

2.Why we need Gortat?Just like what I introduced.This guy has height and speed.He plays D and he is so young that he can play at least 30 MINs.He can get REB and provide blocks.

3.It's possible to trade him.He plays few minutes in magic and his contract will end after this season.He is not so important because of the super man.In some games he can't even get one minute to play.And he plays in a low key.We get picks, due contracts and the rights of signing other players like Splitter.Why can't we get him?If the two sides trade not work,maybe we can try a three-way deal.There is always a way to get this guy.I believe he can can take palce of Splitter.

Nice arguments, but I still don't see the Magic gifting us Gortat, he is not worth Hill, and I doubt he's the piece that makes us better than the Lakers.

[DAF86]

Yes, he's a decent backup on a cheap contract. So why would Orlando give him up?

'Cause they have Anthony ing Johnson playing as backup of Nelson that isn't good for a contender. So we could trade Gortat for Hill.

Wrong. He can and will also play the 2. He'll have plenty of opportunity to develop.

When? I don't see that happening with Parker, Mason, Manu and Pop's love for Finley.

Exactly. Fine in 2007. Today, not so much.

Manu and Mason can play point.

[kenson-q]

Nice arguments, but I still don't see the Magic gifting us Gortat, he is not worth Hill, and I doubt he's the piece that makes us better than the Lakers.

I don't want to lose Hill ,too.I believe Gortat can shorten the distance between Spurs and Lakers.Maybe not better than the Lakers.

[kenson-q]

Today Gortat played 11 minutes and grab 5 rebounds.Nice rebounder,isn't it?Their
Compe or is Nuggets.Gortat just played the first half.It means that the Magic's coach may not see him as important as we thinks.Isn't it a good chance to take him?

[DAF86]

Today Gortat played 11 minutes and grab 5 rebounds.Nice rebounder,isn't it?Their
Compe or is Nuggets.Gortat just played the first half.It means that the Magic's coach may not see him as important as we thinks.Isn't it a good chance to take him?

If you don't want to give up Hill, it wouldn't hurt to see if they'd take Vaughn's expiring contract and a second round pick or some cash.

[kenson-q]

If you don't want to give up Hill, it wouldn't hurt to see if they'd take Vaughn's expiring contract and a second round pick or some cash.

yes,that would be the profect result!