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    Yes.


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    Well at least you admit you're racist.

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    Minorities commit a disproportionate number of crimes, especially against each other.
    Ok, but why? Are minorities simply more inclined to criminal behavior than whites? Do policies such as crack formerly carrying harsher penalties than cocaine have anything to do with this?

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    minorities have got to begin not caring about what others think and take responsibility for themselves. I'm a Puerto Rican and the only time I care what others think is in business, but that's business and not personal.

    If DarrinS wants to think I'm more apt to criminal activity because I'm a minority or if Chump thinks he is inherently better off than me because he's white, it doesn't matter.

    My life is my own.

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    minorities have got to begin not caring about what others think and take responsibility for themselves. I'm a Puerto Rican and the only time I care what others think is in business, but that's business and not personal.

    If DarrinS wants to think I'm more apt to criminal activity because I'm a minority or if Chump thinks he is inherently better off than me because he's white, it doesn't matter.

    My life is my own.


    Well said.


    I don't think minorities are more apt to be criminal, I'm just stating the fact that more crimes are committed by minorities.

    It's also a fact that more heinous crimes, particularly serial murder, are commited by white males. That doesn't make me racist against white males, it's just stating a fact.

    I'd bet you anything that I would like both you and Manny in real life, even if way may differ politically. I'm just tired of people in my generation (younger than 40) continually using racism as an excuse. Obama should be proof that race is not an issue. Isn't just the thought that "the man" is out to "get you" a defeatist belief system?

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    Well said.


    I don't think minorities are more apt to be criminal, I'm just stating the fact that more crimes are committed by minorities.

    It's also a fact that more heinous crimes, particularly serial murder, are commited by white males. That doesn't make me racist against white males, it's just stating a fact.

    I'd bet you anything that I would like both you and Manny in real life, even if way may differ politically. I'm just tired of people in my generation (younger than 40) continually using racism as an excuse. Obama should be proof that race is not an issue. Isn't just the thought that "the man" is out to "get you" a defeatist belief system?
    i exaggerated about you to illustrate the point.

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    i exaggerated about you to illustrate the point.

    I didn't take offense.

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    Its not an excuse. You say you're tired of people using racism as an excuse yet you don't provide a reasoning for why minorities commit more crimes (or are convicted of more crimes anyway).

    I hear what Pete is saying and I completely agree that every man is in charge of his own life and what he makes of it. There is no doubt that minorities often don't make decisions that could help lead them to success. What does piss me off to no end is that minorities have to be much better than average to succeed in this world. You think George Bush's stupid ass ever gets into office if he's a black C student who can't speak proper English?

    When people try to say that things are equal now they're full of , Darrin. Those claims do a big disservice to a lot of people who suffer through unequal conditions. There should not be a pass given to minorities who commit crimes or make poor decisions in general, but it must be acknowledged America has a long way to go before we can say things are equal. Having a chance to succeed does not necessarily mean we all have the SAME chance to succeed.

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    Its not an excuse. You say you're tired of people using racism as an excuse yet you don't provide a reasoning for why minorities commit more crimes (or are convicted of more crimes anyway).

    I hear what Pete is saying and I completely agree that every man is in charge of his own life and what he makes of it. There is no doubt that minorities often don't make decisions that could help lead them to success. What does piss me off to no end is that minorities have to be much better than average to succeed in this world. You think George Bush's stupid ass ever gets into office if he's a black C student who can't speak proper English?
    the 2000 election had more to do with Image than race. Colin Powell would have be the republican nominee if he wanted it. After Powell bowed out, the Republicans decided to nominate someone who they thought was electable based on likability and appearance. Otherwise, our best option at the time was Steve Forbes, but his mug made him unelectable.


    When people try to say that things are equal now they're full of , Darrin. Those claims do a big disservice to a lot of people who suffer through unequal conditions. There should not be a pass given to minorities who commit crimes or make poor decisions in general, but it must be acknowledged America has a long way to go before we can say things are equal. Having a chance to succeed does not necessarily mean we all have the SAME chance to succeed.
    minorities do have an equal chance, but we're starting from way behind. Doesn't matter, the past is the past and the opportunities are equal IMO. Your ability to make people money or happy is the great equalizer!

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    Its not an excuse. You say you're tired of people using racism as an excuse yet you don't provide a reasoning for why minorities commit more crimes (or are convicted of more crimes anyway).
    I don't have an answer.


    I hear what Pete is saying and I completely agree that every man is in charge of his own life and what he makes of it. There is no doubt that minorities often don't make decisions that could help lead them to success. What does piss me off to no end is that minorities have to be much better than average to succeed in this world.
    That's such ing bull . I'm an engineer and I've worked with Asians and Hispanics, but do you know how many African-Americans? ZERO. When I was in engineering school, there was not ONE black person in the college of engineering. NOT ONE. You know how many black people have even APPLIED to work for my company? ZERO.


    You think George Bush's stupid ass ever gets into office if he's a black C student who can't speak proper English?
    I agree that GWB is dumb and he probably got a lot in life because of his family. By the way, America has been ready for a black president (or any other minority) for a long time. It's just that no COMPETENT minority has ever RUN. Jesse Jackson? Please. Al Sharpton? Please.


    When people try to say that things are equal now they're full of , Darrin. Those claims do a big disservice to a lot of people who suffer through unequal conditions.
    Spare me.


    Having a chance to succeed does not necessarily mean we all have the SAME chance to succeed.

    Yes. You are correct. Wealthy people have a better chance than the poor, but I've never let my humble beginnings keep me down.

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    Racism still exists in this country. But the idiots in prison are there because of their own actions, not because of "the man" and his racism.

    It's OK, though. Obama's gonna change it.


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    quick anecdote:

    charitable organization went to penitentiary offering free mothers day cards and gave away 300 cards. same organization went back to offer fathers day cards and gave away ZERO!

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    Racism still exists in this country. But the idiots in prison are there because of their own actions, not because of "the man" and his racism.

    It's OK, though. Obama's gonna change it.

    How are you a lawyer when you make almost every single one of your points so poorly? I don't get it.

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    minorities do have an equal chance, but we're starting from way behind. Doesn't matter, the past is the past and the opportunities are equal IMO. Your ability to make people money or happy is the great equalizer!
    I do really believe this. But I strongly believe that there are still a lot of problems that need to be corrected and everywhere I look I still see the residue of centuries of discrimination which I feel is the responsibility of this country to fix.

    Given enough time, these problems will probably work themselves out. I just feel waiting for that to happen on its own is wrong.

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    How are you a lawyer when you make almost every single one of your points so poorly? I don't get it.
    perhaps he's not a trial lawyer
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    perhaps he's not a litigator
    Perhaps he's just not so bright and only got to where he is because of his father?


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    I do really believe this. But I strongly believe that there are still a lot of problems that need to be corrected and everywhere I look I still see the residue of centuries of discrimination which I feel is the responsibility of this country to fix.

    Given enough time, these problems will probably work themselves out. I just feel waiting for that to happen on its own is wrong.
    unfortunately there are many people who limit themselves by the residue when there is a world of opportunity waiting for them. IMO, it's a way not to take personal responsibility, which is a disease in this country.

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    Perhaps he's just not so bright and only got to where he is because of his father?


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    do you regularly waste bandwidth? do you have something to say or just want to jerk off manny?

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    do you regularly waste bandwidth? do you have something to say or just want to jerk off manny?
    Why don't you go get bent, ! Yeah, I've got something to say. How about how mindnumbingly stupid it is to pretend everything is black or white, and that the old adage of "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is all anyone needs to get ahead in life? All the while ignoring blaring evidence of inequality and discrimination that goes on everyday. How about that?

    P.S. If you didn't get the joke, then that's your problem. I find you and everybody else in this thread arguing that equality has been reached to be the biggest joke of all.

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    How are you a lawyer when you make almost every single one of your points so poorly? I don't get it.
    He's probably white.

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