Declaration needed from whotttt

[polandprzem]

Wow, whottt still here to explain himself?

Man, timvp got power!

[baseline bum]

They didn't suck...Pop sucked, he's the one that didn't even play them. ...even Oberto played well in the short minutes he got in that series.

Finley sucks because he was good enough to make Pop stupid enough to try it...

So yeah...it's Finley's fault. If he'd still been on the Mavs we'd have won that series...and kicked Shaq's ass in a finals.

You have real revisionist history going there. Mohammed was horrible, always out of position, and could not hold on to the ball to save his life. He played way over his head in the 05 playoffs, but after that he returned to his bust level he played at before the Nesterovic injury in Phoenix that year. Nesterovic was a complete bust, and his lack of rebounding ability made him an even worse option, as he couldn't fall on that to help make up for his lack of mobility in being able to stay with Dallas' 4-guard lineups. The only compelling argument you have is for Horry, who has history even if the present wasn't at all on his side that year. If we had 2007 Robert Horry in 2006, then no doubt he should have started. It's real easy to condition on knowing the Spurs lost playing Finley instead of Horry, but that certainly doesn't show Horry getting minutes would have won the series or even let it be as compe ive as it was.

I still cannot believe the way you underestimate Devin Harris' impact. I also can't see how Finley gets the blame. That's just lazy and comes off as nothing but bias against him. If you really want to find a scapegoat, blame Nick Van Exel for being injured.

[whottt]

You have real revisionist history going there. Mohammed was horrible, always out of position, and could not hold on to the ball to save his life. He played way over his head in the 05 playoffs, but after that he returned to his bust level he played at before the Nesterovic injury in Phoenix that year. Nesterovic was a complete bust, and his lack of rebounding ability made him an even worse option, as he couldn't fall on that to help make up for his lack of mobility in being able to stay with Dallas' 4-guard lineups.

Whatever...you act like Nazr was incapable of a big game which is bull ...

Furthermore, I've seen Nazr put players on their asses before and he could have done it to Dirk...

Instead Pop treated Dirk was like he was unstoppable, and he was so.

I mean did you not watch the finals or what? You didn't see them putting Dirk on the ground? It wasn't like they were faster or anything...they were physical, the Spurs weren't.

The only compelling argument you have is for Horry, who has history even if the present wasn't at all on his side that year. If we had 2007 Robert Horry in 2006, then no doubt he should have started. It's real easy to condition on knowing the Spurs lost playing Finley instead of Horry, but that certainly doesn't show Horry getting minutes would have won the series or even let it be as compe ive as it was.

Or better yet...how about the Robert Horry that put David West on his ass.

I still cannot believe the way you underestimate Devin Harris' impact. I also can't see how Finley gets the blame. That's just lazy and comes off as nothing but bias against him. If you really want to find a scapegoat, blame Nick Van Exel for being injured.

And I can't belive you don't seem to understand that Dirk got to the line like Wilt ing Chamberlain and knocked them down like Calivin ing Murphy..and it had everything do with him being comfortable.

The opposite reason he missed them in the finals...and stopped going to the hoop as much.

Sorry but smallball sucked ass and was the reason we lost that series.

I've seen Nazr suck...I've also seem him go off against teams like the Mavs and Suns...yes he sucks a lot of the time, but he doesn't suck all the time.

And it's lame to say he would have.


Like I said...you aint changing my mind, so we might as well agree that you have a weak definition of choke, and clutch. Period. And the main reason we lost that series is because Pop let Dirk think he was Wilt instead of reminding him that he is Dirk. FACT!

[whottt]

Wow, whottt still here to explain himself?

Man, timvp got power!

http://www.anaboliczworld.com/

[baseline bum]

How about we agree you have an irrational hate of Finley despite the good things he has done for this franchise?

[polandprzem]

http://www.anaboliczworld.com/

I undrstand - You bought something and now you can't stop posting and posting

uhh okay

[whottt]

I'm thoroughly pleased...put it this way, Phil won't be leaving him open should we meet in the playoffs...which is almost as good as being clutch.

On second thought, Phil made it pretty clear today that he most definitely will be leaving him(and Bonner too) at least in LA he will be, and it's a problem.

I cannot explain this enough...shooters that knockdown open shots in the playoffs against LA, especially in LA, are a precious commodity, and we don't beat the Lakers when we don't have them.

I mean there is a mental block when it comes to the Lakers for like 90% of the shooter sin the NBA.

I mean Smitty wasn't really a choker against anyone but LA, same with Terry Porter, Danny Ferry...and Hedo Turkoglu.

Even Robert Horry didn't hot shots against LA...and neither did Stephen Jackson or Steve Kerr, in LA, in the playoffs. To be fair...Phil didn't double off them like he did the first group of guys I mentioned and they weren't left open much...and so they are cut from a little bit different cloth.

This is why Brent Barry had value to me always...because he actually played better in LA, at least throughout his career, in fact he played better there than anywhere from a career POV....and even if he didn't, he wasn't the type of shooter that is ever left open.


So this is a huge problem for us...I mean there is no msytery this is what Phil is going to do us, he's done it every time but one that we played them(2003) and it beats us...every time.


And the only reason he didn't do it in 2003 was because Stephen Jackson tore them up in the regular season, and when he tried to do it off Bruce Bowen, Bruce Bowen torched his ass for 27 points and 7 threes.


This is the absolute key to beating the Lakers and Phil for the Spurs...and there is no excuse for the Spurs not to know this...


And so I've been a little reluctant to coronate Bonner and Mason as the next Elie and JJ for this reason(not that they ever did it against Phil either), and today they showed why...but I at least thought Phil wouldn't have his guys sag off him...and he most certainly did, off the both of them.


It's actually a huge compliment to the Spurs, they are the only team I ever see that gets Phil to break his defense like that. The Spurs are not only the only team I've ever seen draw a double out of Phil consistently...I've seen them draw triples out of him(in 2002) or doubles off multiple players(2004)...and he'll do it again if he doesn't respect our shooters and we have frequently not given him reason to do.




But you know I was thinking...Austin Croshere stuck in my head in a positive way for some reason and I couldn't exactly remember why..it's certainly not because of anything he's done recently...but still, he's in my head for a reason so I did a little research...

2000 NBA Finals

In particular the games in LA


Props Pop, you did your homework.

Pop..."gets it".

http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0874971.html


And yes it matters...shooter that don't hit open big game threes against LA(in LA) don't turn into them, ever...and those that do, well they don't lose it at least not hat I have seen.

I actually feel better because Croshere is on the this team. I hope we keep him, because I don't think Phil will double off him like he will Bonner and that's almost as good as actually hitting the shots.



He won't leave Bruce, he won't leave Manu, and I don't think he'll leave Croshere...and that's gonna let Duncan and Parker be Duncan and Parker.


I still have not written Mason off BTW...still plenty of evidence he's last second shot type clutch if not big quarter or game type clutch.

[DynastyBuilder]

Game 1 - Croshere FG 6-7 / 3PT 0-1
Indiana - 87 Lakers - 104

Game 2 - Croshere FG 6-15 / 3PT 0-2
Indiana - 104 Lakers - 111

Game 6 - Croshere FG 4-7 / 3PT 3-5
Indiana - 111 Lakers - 116

[whottt]

Yeap...not only that, but he pulled down about 6 boards a game too. And he wasn't left open. Phil may test it out...but if Croshere burns him Phil won't try it again. And his nuts obviously don't shrivel against LA...not even the biggest games of his life, so I hope does try it at least once.

He put about 18 and 5 per game in LA on about 55% shooting from the field...his 3 shooting wasn't great, but he wasn't left open much either IIRC. Phil doesn't usually attempt against anyone but the Spurs is why I feel pretty certain saying that.

[DynastyBuilder]

Didn't work out too well for Indy...

[whottt]

Didn't work out too well for Indy...

Well you know...it's kinda like that flush didn't work out for your mom once you floated....wasn't her fault, wasn't his fault. You were a floater and Indy was a bad basketball team.

But thanks for the insight Einstein...I didn't realize LA lost that series as I was looking up the links, and I want to taink you for pointing out the scores on the links I provided....you're pretty ing smart for a re .

[baseline bum]

Bonner did what I expected, pulling a Turkoglu in Staples Center. I still have high hopes for Mason though. He's not decrepit Terry Porter who gave the Derek Fishers and Rick Foxs of the world plenty of time to get back and contest the shot. As for Ferry, Rick Fox had the series of a lifetime in that sweep. Ferry got that set-shot off quick, but Fox was recovering from doubles to contest the shot like a madman every single time. Smith is a who played with no hustle in that 02 series; probably pissed he wasn't getting the post opportunities on Bryant that he got in Portland.

[DynastyBuilder]

you're pretty ing smart for a re .

And 2000 Austin Croshere is making Phil Jackson lose sleep.

[whottt]

And 2000 Austin Croshere is making Phil Jackson lose sleep.

Yes so tell me something slick...do you think if Indy had Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Gionbili to go with Crosher's 18 on 55% shooting it would have helped more or less? Since you know...LA lost the series.

[DynastyBuilder]

The question is ridiculous. You can't take 2000 Austin Croshere and equal him to 2008 Austin Croshere. Let's not anoint AC as the savior just yet. He's made two buckets thus far.

Likewise you can't just throw in 2008 TD, TP and MG into 2000 with 2000 AC. let's bring back 79-80 Iceman and 94-95 David to go with the big three and AC.

Let's even go one step farther and pull out 2001-02 Tim to go with that roster.

[whottt]

The question is ridiculous. You can't take 2000 Austin Croshere and equal him to 2008 Austin Croshere. Let's not anoint AC as the savior just yet. He's made two buckets thus far.

Likewise you can't just throw in 2008 TD, TP and MG into 2000 with 2000 AC. let's bring back 79-80 Iceman and 94-95 David to go with the big three and AC.

Let's even go one step farther and pull out 2001-02 Tim to go with that roster.

What makes you a is that you evidentally didn't read a single thing I posted...about the Lakers Spurs match ups and the role shooters play. All you did was stupidly point out that the Lakers lost those games using the boxscores I provided...your stupidity and lack of comprhension is annoying...

You aren't clever, you provided no meaningful insight, you didn't even read the post I made, and if you di you didn't comphrehend.

So anyway...the Lakers lost the series, now what? Anything else?

[DynastyBuilder]

So anyway...the Lakers lost the series, now what? Anything else?

I see what you did there.

[DynastyBuilder]

Here is some insight for you... AC is no longer on the Spurs' roster page, could be a mistake PJ was on there earlier this season. Coincidence that today is the end of 10 days... http://www.nba.com/spurs/roster/

[DynastyBuilder]

And 2000 Austin Croshere is making Phil Jackson lose sleep.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115345

[whottt]

I see what you did there.

Did you think of that comeback all on your own?

[whottt]

Here is some insight for you... AC is no longer on the Spurs' roster page, could be a mistake PJ was on there earlier this season. Coincidence that today is the end of 10 days... http://www.nba.com/spurs/roster/

Hey I never said it was certainty they were going to keep him...although I do think it would have been wise since the alternative is Matt Bonner.

Does Phil lose sleep over Bonner? Only that he might not be in the lineup.

Anyway, I don't know why you're celebrating...the only thing I can conclude is that you didn't watch the last Laker game.