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I think you misread, or misunderstood, if anything I'm implying the opposite of that.
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WOW….Are you implying Tony isn’t good enough to win without Manu???????..... crap… we need to trade Tony immediately.
Hahaha this Manu hater is the funniest one.
I think you misread, or misunderstood, if anything I'm implying the opposite of that.
most of tony TOs come when he tries to attack the rim and lost control of the ball in the traffic. you have to accept this: attacking the rim is what makes him a 50 % FG PG.
Manu has a lot of stupid TOs, a lot of careless "out of bounds" and a lot of useless crazy passes.
Trading Manu for anything less than a franchise caliber would be the Spurs' loss.
There is no way we can get that for Manu. He is not a franchise player and he is aging. The only type of trade that would make sense is to send him to a team that needs that "one more piece", too bad we seem to be one of those teams. That is why it makes no sense.
Unless there is an absolute homerun deal/steal, he is untradeable in every way imaginable.
so true
however I disagree with the part you added, if we can get a good young player for him, and/or some picks, rather than getting nothing for him when he becomes a FA, that's still a win for our future
You can call me a hater if you want. Heck you can call me alot more in this site. But I get paid to watch the Spurs play. Do you? Didnt think so. Im a Spurs Fan First Always. When a player has reached the level that isnt helping the Spurs. They can be shipped imo. Been happening since the Hemisphere days. Your one of those Player Pom Pom Cheerleaders. Hopefully your a Man. I expect Player Pom Pom cheerleader fans from Girls.......Welcome to my ignore list.
Why would any team trade their good young and upcoming players for one who's coming off surgery and is probably going to start declining in the next few years. That would make no since. There's a better chance that Manu leaves at the end of his contract for some place else and the Spurs go after some other FA and honestly I would be ok if he didn't come back.however I disagree with the part you added, if we can get a good young player for him, and/or some picks, rather than getting nothing for him when he becomes a FA, that's still a win for our future
I said good player not great player, I think we could get a good player for him yet, someone a little better and younger than say Mason, but a PF not a guard.
We'd feel like Dallas fans do about Harris' performance this year.
i wouldn't trade manu for Diaw......ok even if...........
For three Diaw.... sorry......... but make it done!!!!!
remember i'm just a french homer
If anything is wrong with Manu it's his conditioning. Its really annoying to see the Spurs main offensive option (Option 1C in Manu), play so few minutes these past few seasons. I think its a huge reason the Spurs underachieve in the regular season. Yeah Pop is trying to play it safe, but Manu not being able to play 33-34mpg+ hurts the team in the win column. It forces Pop to play inferior lineups for longer stretches in the game.
This team is still more talented then the early 00's Spur teams before Drob retired. And yet the team slacks off in the regular season or for whatever reason underachieves. It seems like in years past they won way more meaningful regular season games or at least appeared stronger in the regular season.
You mean to tell me Boston's core is really any better than the Spurs? Even assuming KG and Duncan are a wash -- Parker and Ginobili are no worse then Ray Allen and Paul Pierce. The only difference is they play more minutes for their respective team. Their efficiency and productivity aren't even as good as Parker and Manu's but they play 6-9 more mpg and even with the drop in efficiency of their numbers, they are still improvements over most of their subs. In other words even if Manu's production dropped heavily with increase minutes -- he still would be a well above average force on the floor over the course of the season.
I don't understand why Manu isn't capable of playing more -- but I think if he was technically able to play more, the team would be a superior regular season and team and might even feel better about themselves going into the playoffs.
The regular season tends to be more of a nuissance then anything these days, cause the Spurs clearly just need some luck and health going into the playoffs when its all said and done. But it would be really nice for once if the Spurs had a 60+ regular season and a chance at home court throughout most of the playoffs. Like the old days.....
i am glad you are not the GM for the spurs.
He is. He has played well over 30+ mpg for the national team, and also played well over 30+ mpg during playoff runs. He actually voiced he wanted to play 30+ mpg this season already. It's not Manu that doesn't want to or can't, it's Pop that's regulating the minutes.
it's very easy to say trade manu. but who is that player who could match manu's value for our team?
you're getting paid to watch the spurs play?LOL. i bet the spurs won't waste a cent to pay someone like you.. i'm not being paid for this, i watch the spurs because of how they play. i love every spurs player. you are just actually a spurs-hater, and a person with grandiose delusion.You can call me a hater if you want. Heck you can call me alot more in this site. But I get paid to watch the Spurs play. Do you? Didnt think so. Im a Spurs Fan First Always. When a player has reached the level that isnt helping the Spurs. They can be shipped imo. Been happening since the Hemisphere days. Your one of those Player Pom Pom Cheerleaders. Hopefully your a Man. I expect Player Pom Pom cheerleader fans from Girls.......
Playbaby post.You can call me a hater if you want. Heck you can call me alot more in this site. But I get paid to watch the Spurs play. Do you? Didnt think so. Im a Spurs Fan First Always. When a player has reached the level that isnt helping the Spurs. They can be shipped imo. Been happening since the Hemisphere days. Your one of those Player Pom Pom Cheerleaders. Hopefully your a Man. I expect Player Pom Pom cheerleader fans from Girls.......
Laker fan here.
Can't believe some of y'all want to trade Manu for Diaw. Are you serious? I mean, I understand thinking about trading one of your big 3 when the coals are still warm... the team needs to make some moves w/ little value to trade. But Manu for Diaw?
Some of y'all have no clue of the value your players bring. MANU PUT YOU OVER THE TOP! That's right... it wasn't Robinson, wasn't Duncan, wasn't Bruce or Tony. MANU PUT YOU OVER THE TOP!
Manu brought the toughness, grit, and scrappiness S.A. needed to finally get over the Lakers hump. You see Lakers last year in the finals? You remember S.A. being sent home w/ their tails between their legs after being swept in the playoffs by L.A. pre-Manu even though they had plenty o' talent? A guy like Manu is what changes those outcomes.
Doesn't mean you don't trade him... from the outside lookin' in, looks like S.A. has to make some moves. But, if you're going to do it, you better damned well get back what you're losing, or it's a wasted effort (best o' luck with that... finding a tough, gritty, scrappy player who's a nightmare from the wing when he's on).
Manu for Diaw? Seriously?
What I can handle.. Manu in a shooting slump. missing jumpers and 3's and turnovers.
What I cant handle is when he shoots 50-70% of his shots as 3 pointers, with most of the other shots 2 point jump shots. He..im my opinions is not taking it to the room like he use to . I know he is still recovering, but I dont think or worry that he wont be able to play like last year.
Were suppose to be an inside ourside shooting team, but from what ive seen of late, its basically just a shooting team period. The only players driving the lane at all are TP and TD and TP tends to back off when he is getting beat up.
Fin, Mas? Nothing
Manu,,,Here and there
I thinks it obvious were not attacking the rim. Look at the free throw attempts from the la game. I dont have in front of me, but i think its like 2 to 1 in shot attempts. meaning they driving the lane and were settleing for jumpers. btw alot were open shots we missed.
I kinda think the Spurs think all is well and will come togehter on this trip. Well..its one thing to think it and quite another to actually do it.
The cure??
few things come to mind...
I commend Bonner and his efforts, but he needs to be coming off the bench, but we really have no options at the moment. Oberto been benched. Tomas get play big min and no trades are in the works...MY solutions? IF oberto is healthy, Id rather have him in there during the playoffs. I know he can handle the pressure. his IQ is good.
drive and kick......drive and kick drive and shoot.....simple simple simple
1. Drive the lane more
2. get more foul shots.
3. get more players involed
4. Maybe take a few less 3's
5. work on that Team D
[QUOTE=JustSomeJoe;3058309]Laker fan here.
Can't believe some of y'all want to trade Manu for Diaw. Are you serious? I mean, I understand thinking about trading one of your big 3 when the coals are still warm... the team needs to make some moves w/ little value to trade. But Manu for Diaw?
Some of y'all have no clue of the value your players bring. MANU PUT YOU OVER THE TOP! That's right... it wasn't Robinson, wasn't Duncan, wasn't Bruce or Tony. MANU PUT YOU OVER THE TOP!
Manu brought the toughness, grit, and scrappiness S.A. needed to finally get over the Lakers hump. QUOTE]
Actually, in '03 it was Kevin Willis. Yeah, that's right, KEVIN WILLIS. Remember that thunderous, one-handed, rebound dunk he sent down over Shaq in that route at Staples when the Spurs sent the Lakers home [tearfully] packing? That DUNK put them over the top, and the rest is history.....
[quote=NewJerSpur;3058315]Willis was an animal... an A N I M A L!Laker fan here.
Can't believe some of y'all want to trade Manu for Diaw. Are you serious? I mean, I understand thinking about trading one of your big 3 when the coals are still warm... the team needs to make some moves w/ little value to trade. But Manu for Diaw?
Some of y'all have no clue of the value your players bring. MANU PUT YOU OVER THE TOP! That's right... it wasn't Robinson, wasn't Duncan, wasn't Bruce or Tony. MANU PUT YOU OVER THE TOP!
Manu brought the toughness, grit, and scrappiness S.A. needed to finally get over the Lakers hump. QUOTE]
Actually, in '03 it was Kevin Willis. Yeah, that's right, KEVIN WILLIS. Remember that thunderous, one-handed, rebound dunk he sent down over Shaq in that route at Staples when the Spurs sent the Lakers home [tearfully] packing? That DUNK put them over the top, and the rest is history.....
Seriously, though... don't remember when it was, but the first time I saw Manu play and impact the game with his scrappiness, I though "ah, ... that might be it."
Guys like that are few and far between. It's the only thing missing from the current Laker squad, IMO. Ariza is a uva player with hustle written on his forehead, but I'm not sure he's got enough dirty in 'em to fully fill that role.
I respect the out'a Manu (as I do a number of other Spurs players), but he can be a dirty little grabbin', clawin', scratchin', cheap shottin' sob out on the court... EXACTLY the kind a player you want on your side going into battle.
Spurs need a 3, Mavs need a 2. Manu for J-Ho.
Maybe in the middle of last season people could say Manu is better then Paul. But since then, Manu isnt even close to Paul. Id trade Manu for Paul in a heartbeat. And so would the Spurs FO. The reason Boston won is because of Paul. Paul is to Boston what Kobe is to the Lakers and what Lebron is to the Cavs. Manu cant take over a game. And his ankle will never let him again. Thats what this team lacks. A player who can take over a game. If we dont play like a team. If we dont hit our 3s. We dont win it all. And without that player who can do what Manu used to do. We're just a shooting team. And so is Manu.
The guy is still a Spurs Hero in my book. As long as he is back in form by the playoffs we'll be fine. Way too early to start bellyaching about it.
no doubt manu's main weakness is durability/stamina. but tp and td also play low minutes compared to most stars, and if you look at boston this year kg and pierce are playing much less.
the difference with boston is they have a deeper bench and a good front court (perking, davis and powe >> thomas, oberto and bonner). their 4th best player is better than our 4th best. we only have a better best player, a better big 3 and a better coach.
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manu is getting more and more dependent on 3 pt shooting to open his driving lanes. against the lakers, parker as well depends on the 3 pt shooters to get in the paint. as long as our penetration is dependent on the accuracy of the 3 pt shooters, we will be a live by the 3 die by the 3 team. even duncan needs those 3 pt shooters to space the floor for him. jackson knows this and that is why finley, bonner, mason, bowen and manu must connect on their 3s for us to beat the lakers.
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