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    Well I've got a 15 yr old and I've been on her about college from day one. With so many degrees out there.....I'm so confused. I would think that a BA and MFA in Art History and an MLIS wouldn't do squat for someone but clearly I'm wrong. There are so many fields where you can make good money without a degree as long as you specialize in that field.
    An MLIS (or MLS or MIS, depending on where you get it) is actually really marketable - it will get you into public libraries, academic libraries, special collections, museums, governmental agencies, etc. There are a lot of people out there with humanities degrees, but organizations like to see the MLIS because it means you've already done the work in learning administration, digitization, information and cataloging systems, etc.

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    Well I've got a 15 yr old and I've been on her about college from day one. With so many degrees out there.....I'm so confused. I would think that a BA and MFA in Art History and an MLIS wouldn't do squat for someone but clearly I'm wrong. There are so many fields where you can make good money without a degree as long as you specialize in that field.
    To be clear, it's entirely possible that my intended degrees don't do squat. I'm still fairly early in the process of getting them, so I really don't know.

    After taking ten years away from school (with the exception of a few JC classes peppered in here and there), I already know that I can make ends meet with a crappy clerical job if I need to. I'm a firm believer in studying what you love/what inspires you because you love it/it inspires you, rather than studying what you think will get you the best paycheck. I tried that route as an 18-year-old business major and was so completely bored out of my mind that I dropped out in my third semester.

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    An MLIS (or MLS or MIS, depending on where you get it) is actually really marketable - it will get you into public libraries, academic libraries, special collections, museums, governmental agencies, etc. There are a lot of people out there with humanities degrees, but organizations like to see the MLIS because it means you've already done the work in learning administration, digitization, information and cataloging systems, etc.
    I guess I should have googled what an MLIS is. I don't see her working in that field though.

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    To be clear, it's entirely possible that my intended degrees don't do squat. I'm still fairly early in the process of getting them, so I really don't know.

    After taking ten years away from school (with the exception of a few JC classes peppered in here and there), I already know that I can make ends meet with a crappy clerical job if I need to. I'm a firm believer in studying what you love/what inspires you because you love it/it inspires you, rather than studying what you think will get you the best paycheck. I tried that route as an 18-year-old business major and was so completely bored out of my mind that I dropped out in my third semester.
    I tell her it isn't all about the benjamins.

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    I guess I should have googled what an MLIS is. I don't see her working in that field though.
    An MLIS is a pretty damn good degree to go after.

    I'm on my way to getting an MLS. It's similar, and I should get a pretty good job with that.

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    An MLIS is a pretty damn good degree to go after.

    I'm on my way to getting an MLS. It's similar, and I should get a pretty good job with that.
    I'm sure it is but I don't see her in the library field at all. I googled and see it is a relatively new degree. Not for her though. I never knew librarians made so much money.

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    I never knew librarians made so much money.
    Which is why we always have the last laugh.

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    Which is why we always have the last laugh.
    A quiet one at that.

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    Not bad at all.

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    I have met kids who like ISS. They work better there because they get to do the classwork without the instruction and then sit around the rest of the day. Also, there are often only a few kids there and they function better in that way.

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    I never knew librarians made so much money.
    Depends on where you are. San Antonio Public Library librarians start at $35k, requiring a masters. That's about $5000 less than what the average starting public school teacher in SA can expect to make.

    Branch managers make a decent amount of money, though, and if you work your way up in a federal library you can make 6 figures.

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    Considering you have to have a Master's Degree, it is not that high of pay but most go into it NOT for the money.

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    http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Dum...5714489/?itm=1

    This guy spells it out much better than I ever could.

    excerpts? cliff notes?

    I see nothing in the intro that says that public schools crank out apathetic parents.

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    Public education is failing our children because our society is failing our children. Parents are ed up, schools are ed up, kids are ed up, and none of this exists in a vacuum.

    It is all a product of how we, as a culture, value education. It's not about learning anymore; it's about succeeding. It's about progressing, about graduating, about ing leveling up. By and large, people will do just as much as they have to in order to move forward -- students put forth the minimum effort to get a passing grade, parents put forth the minimal effort to make sure their kids don't drop out, people do just enough at work to make sure they aren't fired, and teachers (some, not all) will do just enough to make sure that there isn't a riot in the classroom. Even in a college atmosphere, in upper division major specific classes, I find that truly engaging with the material tends to be the exception, and not the rule.

    There needs to be a complete paradigm shift in order to remove the biases that this country has against taking a genuine interest in something. Caring too much -- about learning, about intellect, about people, whatever -- is to be ridiculed. At every level, and in every setting. Enthusiasm is silly. Commitment and dedication mean that you've sold out. Instead we reward indifference and dumb luck (and if the months of "real American" rhetoric we were all treated to isn't proof of this, I don't know what is).

    Until this changes, wholly, and at every level, there's no hope of really improving our education system. Public or private.

    I agree. Reminds me of Office Space

    Maybe the culture of doing the bare minimum starts with educators. They get paid based on tenure, so if teacher A with 10 years experience busts ass while teacher B gets by with the bare minimum, it doesn't matter.......they get paid the same.......

    and chances are teacher B says to teacher A at some point: "why the are you busting your ass?"

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    Depends on where you are. San Antonio Public Library librarians start at $35k, requiring a masters. That's about $5000 less than what the average starting public school teacher in SA can expect to make.

    Branch managers make a decent amount of money, though, and if you work your way up in a federal library you can make 6 figures.

    librarians in most school districts are on the same pay salary scale as teachers:


    http://www.nisd.net/hr/compensation/...mparison_1.pdf

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    librarians in most school districts are on the same pay salary scale as teachers:


    http://www.nisd.net/hr/compensation/...mparison_1.pdf
    That's true, but I was referring to the public library versus the school districts. A public librarian's salary comes from the city, not from the school district.

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    I work in some of the schools as a subs ute and the really scary thing is even when you have a student that you can see is very disturbed and showing some violent aggressive behavior (such as shoving a teacher down) that does need attention the school doesn't want to spend the money dealing with them so they send them back to your class again and sometimes contacting the parents to do something won't work. It's hard being a teacher too. The school's getting bad at telling what you can or cannot do as for disciplining a student and it's getting worse. Pretty soon you won't be able to do much at all except hope that all the parents work with you.

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    "At least she didnt give her a wedgie"

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    The whole knock on the public school system is crock in itself. There are thousands of kids who get into great colleges and careers through the public school system and many parents won't take the responsibility and blame the system. TEACH your kids how to behave in school so the teachers can do their jobs.
    Its not a crock - the public school system is absolute who is producing a large amount of ty students who can't even read or do simple algebra.

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    Not at all, though I would agree that for some this may very well be the reason.

    But, most of those students can't reach the academic standards most 4 year Us have.
    This this this this this.

    There are probably more students in remedial classes in the ACCD system than anything else. Its flat out pathetic. When talking to my transfer counselor at SAC she was pretty much shocked I had never taken remidial courses. That's just sad.

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    Trying to turn around the education system in the U.S. is futile. It's like trying to reform the operation of the boiler room on the anic. The United States is going to fail. We can pick out a few kids here and there and save them.

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    Well, my kids seem to be doing well in the public school system.

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    Well, my kids seem to be doing well in the public school system.
    Please don't take this as an insult, that's not how it's intended - but everything about the pss is so dumbed down, it should be fairly easy for them to do well. When I transferred my son to private school this year, he had to repeat second grade. He was an honor roll student every semester in pss, but the academic standards are so low...

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    Peewee was a teacher for 4 years?

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    Please don't take this as an insult, that's not how it's intended - but everything about the pss is so dumbed down, it should be fairly easy for them to do well. When I transferred my son to private school this year, he had to repeat second grade. He was an honor roll student every semester in pss, but the academic standards are so low...
    No insult taken. But I also don't just depend on the PSS. We've always looked for more ways for them to learn. Workbooks, learning software, reading EVERY day, worksheets and it doesn't stop during the summer.
    And as I look over their homework they are doing things that I didn't learn until much later in school so I don't see it as being "easy" but that is just me. I'm very proud of them.
    And I know the PSS is far from perfect but I also feel that some of it is due to the environment kids are growing up in.
    Too much TV, video games, fashion, lack of discipline and so on. Too many kids simply don't read enough so they can't write well.
    All I'm saying is that there are many, many successful students coming out of the PSS. During every graduation I hear many kids going to great colleges. Should there be more? Of course!!
    That is all I'm saying.

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