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The good Christian should beware of mathematicians. The danger already exists that mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and confine man in the bonds of .
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...=116083&page=2
Proof the PSS is ed. Look at all the people who can't do simple math.
The good Christian should beware of mathematicians. The danger already exists that mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and confine man in the bonds of .
I went to public school and my life sucks.
This is a good point - there are a lot of schools who cater to people that don't learn in high school so they can take their money for 4-5 years and give them a degree. My junior year at UTSA, in a senior-level history class, the professor took out an ENTIRE 3 hour class period to tell people how to write a basic 5 paragraph essay. This did not even include citations, bibliography, etc. My favorite prof there distributed a handout at the beginning of every class to remind people not to be stupid and write coherent sentences with original thought - typically, about 50% of his class would drop in the first couple weeks.
it's part this:
and part this:
maybe the answer is to scratch off level one classes at the high school level and force kids in the lower levels to hurry up.......do algebra by 7th grade maybe.
Come to think of it, there is an inherent problem with our elementary school systems. One of my wife's Spanish degreed friends is teaching all the subject to her third grade class. It doesn't seem difficult to teach 3rd grade stuff, even if it's not your content area, but she doesn't remember most of it.
That pretty muh sucks for the kids
damn!
that would explain some of those utsa freaks over in the college sports forum
We focus so much on science and math (and rightly so, that is very important), but we also need to focus on the subjects that can have kids thinking critically at an earlier age. Education cannot just be about memorization and application of formulas - people need to know how to analyze and study and make intelligent inferences. These are things you learn by studying literature in English and different perspectives in history. Grammar is important, but so is learning how to interpret someone else's words in a way that helps you to see the universality of a concept so that it can be applied in other areas of life. It helps in math and science to be able to think more critically and relate those concepts to things that might make more sense to you - I'm pretty sure I never would have survived math if I hadn't had 7 years of music theory from piano lessons when I started algebra in 8th grade.
I really think it's about being well-rounded, and using the areas in which you excel to help you understand the areas to which you aren't as naturally inclined. To do that, however, you have to have the chance to find out what you're good at, and I think a lot of kids in the public school system don't really get that chance.
No , right? Those people don't need a football team, they need professors that will fail them when they don't deserve to pass. Anyone in a senior level history class who cannot write a 5 paragraph essay does not deserve to pass.
-there is no way corporal punishment the way you are talking will ever come back
-don't ditch standardized testing, just reform it
-I'd say drop more of the ESL classes instead of dropping bi-lingual ed
-minimize what is being considered as 'special needs'. The list of things wrong with these kids is crazy........but that goes back to society telling parents that their kids need Riddlin.........when what they really needs is an ass kick.
+1 on the vocational education.
That was my mother 30 years ago. San Antonio high school.
She actually had some students tell her they just wanted to graduate and get on welfare.
Now there's a term I haven't heard in years...
Thank God, Joe, there are still a few parents out there like yourself who give two s about what their kids do. My last little bit of hope in humanity has not yet eroded
What those kids need, frankly, is more recess. I don't know how people really expect a 6- or 7-year-old to sit and concentrate on mental work for three hours when he or she hasn't been allowed to do some physical movement. The average kid can't sit still that long and it's unfair of us to expect them to.
(Although, some of them do really also need a kick in the ass)
I've got a class this semester for which we have two assigned papers due. In Tuesday's lecture, when the professor was explaining the paper assignment, we were informed that we had the option of writing in essay format, or instead using bullet points. I couldn't believe it. Bullet points in a 300-level college class?
good article:
"Stupid in America" is a nasty le for a program about public education, but some nasty things are going on in America's public schools and it's about time we face up to it.
Kids at New York's Abraham Lincoln High School told me their teachers are so dull students fall asleep in class. One student said, "You see kids all the time walking in the school smoking weed, you know. It's a normal thing here."
We tried to bring "20/20" cameras into New York City schools to see for ourselves and show you what's going on in the schools, but officials wouldn't allow it.
Washington, D.C., officials steered us to the best classrooms in their district.
We wanted to tape typical classrooms but were turned down in state after state.
(abc news)Finally, school officials in Washington, D.C., allowed "20/20" to give cameras to a few students who were handpicked at two schools they'd handpicked. One was Woodrow Wilson High. Newsweek says it's one of the best schools in America. Yet what the students taped didn't inspire confidence.
One teacher didn't have control over the kids. Another "20/20" student cameraman videotaped a boy dancing wildly with his shirt off, in front of his teacher.
If you're like most American parents, you might think "These things don't happen at my kid's school." A Gallup Poll survey showed 76 percent of Americans were completely or somewhat satisfied with their kids' public school.
Education reformers like Kevin Chavous have a message for these parents: If you only knew.
Even though people in the suburbs might think their schools are great, Chavous says, "They're not. That's the thing and the test scores show that."
Chavous and many other education professionals say Americans don't know that their public schools, on the whole, just aren't that good. Because without compe ion, parents don't know what their kids might have had.
And while many people say, "We need to spend more money on our schools," there actually isn't a link between spending and student achievement.
Jay Greene, author of "Education Myths," points out that "If money were the solution, the problem would already be solved ... We've doubled per pupil spending, adjusting for inflation, over the last 30 years, and yet schools aren't better."
He's absolutely right. National graduation rates and achievement scores are flat, while spending on education has increased more than 100 percent since 1971. More money hasn't helped American kids.
Ben Chavis is a former public school principal who now runs an alternative charter school in Oakland, Calif., that spends thousands of dollars less per student than the surrounding public schools. He laughs at the public schools' complaints about money.
"That is the biggest lie in America. They waste money," he said.
To save money, Chavis asks the students to do things like keep the grounds picked up and set up for their own lunch. For gym class, his students often just run laps around the block. All of this means there's more money left over for teaching.
Even though he spends less money per student than the public schools do, Chavis pays his teachers more than what public school teachers earn. His school also thrives because the principal gets involved. Chavis shows up at every classroom and uses gimmicks like small cash payments for perfect attendance.
Since he took over four years ago, his school has gone from being among the worst in Oakland to being the best. His middle school has the highest test scores in the city.
"It's not about the money," he said.
He's confident that even kids who come from broken families and poor families will do well in his school. "Give me the poor kids, and I will outperform the wealthy kids who live in the hills. And we do it," he said.
Monopoly Kills Innovation and Cheats Kids
Chavis's charter school is an example of how a little innovation can create a school that can change kids' lives. You don't get innovation without compe ion.
To give you an idea of how compe ive American schools are and how U.S. students performed compared with their European counterparts, we gave parts of an international test to some high school students in Belgium and in New Jersey.
Belgian kids cleaned the American kids' clocks, and called them "stupid."
We didn't pick smart kids to test in Europe and dumb kids in the United States. The American students attend an above-average school in New Jersey, and New Jersey's kids have test scores that are above average for America.
Lov Patel, the boy who got the highest score among the American students, told me, "I'm shocked, because it just shows how advanced they are compared to us."
The Belgian students didn't perform better because they're smarter than American students. They performed better because their schools are better. At age 10, American students take an international test and score well above the international average. But by age 15, when students from 40 countries are tested, the Americans place 25th.
American schools don't teach as well as schools in other countries because they are government monopolies, and monopolies don't have much incentive to compete. In Belgium, by contrast, the money is attached to the kids -- it's a kind of voucher system. Government funds education -- at many different kinds of schools -- but if a school can't attract students, it goes out of business.
more......
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/stossel/story?id=1500338
where can i sign up for these classes?
i have two five page essays due every week and numerous blue book exams. on every paper we have atleast five citations...
maybe yall are doing too much pick a prof
That's a major problem. And, paradoxically, it's the parents that will fight it.
Standardized testing has to go. Successful countries, like Germany and South Korea, don't used standardized tests.
Bi-lingual Ed does nothing to help students. Trust me. I come from an area that is heavily dependent on Bi-lingual Ed. Students receive Bi-lngual Ed up until high school.
On the flip side, when my father came into this country, he had to go through immersion, which meant sink or swim. He speaks perfect english, graduaed from HS with honors, and has a BA.
Bi-lingual Ed does nothing but slow down a students learning.
I agree.
Voc Ed is essential for students who don't have and will never have the academic ability to make it in a 4 yr U.
this at ude is what's wrong with education today
I had a student, in middle school mind you, that said her goal in life was to get pregnant and get a monthly check for the baby.
Two years later, she went ahead and did just that.
That's just amazing.
That's a very good article that pretty much says it all.
I was already pretty iffy on the class (no attendance requirements, syllabus full of busy work, etc.), but I literally felt the few ounces of respect I may have had left drain out as soon as she made that announcement.
Her explanation was that it isn't a writing class, and also indicated frustration that the school was trying to turn it into a writing class, so clearly it's just a case of her not wanting to deal with reading a bunch of papers. Complete bull , though. It's a ing psychology class and, last time I checked, writing academic papers and journal articles was a pretty big part of the field.
That's bull . She just doesn't want to grade papers. But, she could very easily have her TA grade the papers for her.
All this is pathetic and it's just reminding me of why I left the education field. It's beyond pathetic.
I am not surprised.
I've been accused of making stories like that up.
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