Sources: Suns put Stoudemire on trade block

[DPG21920]

I'm the commish and my deal is unless I think there's collusion I don't veto so I didn't. The kid trading for Amare has a history of making dumb trades so I had no choice. I'm still mad the 4th place team was able to trade Amare for 2 top ten players.

I agree, I am the commish and I am the same way, I was speaking more hypothetically based on how dumb it is.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Aldridge for Amare would be more than I could have imagined. If Kerr squeezed Bayless out of that, it would really be something.

[DPG21920]

I hope Portland does that.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Portland would be dumb to do that.....Oden would eventually get tired of being barked at by Amare.

[Findog]

Portland would be absolutely insane to do that deal. I would much rather have Aldridge than Amare. Aldridge is just as good as Amare in my opinion, is younger and has more upside, and is a better character guy as well. They dismantled the JailBlazers because of chemistry and character issues. I love their foundation of Oden, Aldridge and Roy. If I were Pritchard, it would take A LOT for me to alter or break that up, and I certainly wouldn't do it for Amare.

[Findog]

I love this deal for the Mavericks. The Blazers would wreck their core - Amare is a loser, plain and simple. Insanely talented, but a loser. He has all the tools to be a good defender but has never committed himself on that end. He's the type of guy who has no shame in padding his stats in garbage time. And Aldridge would not mean the difference between the Suns either barely missing the playoffs/going out in the first round and winning a le.

[DPG21920]

How does this help the Mavs?

[Findog]

How does this help the Mavs?

I like seeing Western compe ors get worse. It helps the Spurs in that regard too.

[sook]

yao for Amare git r done morey

[vicphoenix13]

They really should have taken Garnett when they had the chance ... I kept telling my friends that the Suns were getting better if they had taken the offer.

Actually, Kevin McHale made the decision not to trade KG to the Suns. He didn't want KG to be in the Western Conference and wanted Al Jefferson more than Amare.

[angelbelow]

what are the suns looking for though.. talent that fits them to make a championship run or expiring contracts? would make more since to me if they are looking to add talent for a run because an expiring wouldnt make sense since they have nash and shaq approaching the end.

[turiaf for president]

lamar and luke =D

[m33p0]

if all goes well, your wish will come true.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The rumor now is Amare 4 Rudy Gay, Warrick, and Darko. I would do that right now. Gay is about as good as it gets as far as young pieces they can get for Amare.

[ducks]

if boozer says he opts out which says he will
I would trade boozer for amare

[peskypesky]

The rumor now is Amare 4 Rudy Gay, Warrick, and Darko. I would do that right now. Gay is about as good as it gets as far as young pieces they can get for Amare.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat

[Armando]

DB.com Buzz: Amare For Aldridge?
We Got A Feel For A Deal That Would Change The West Race
By David Lord -- DB.com

This comes from having an ear to the ground. Some reading of tea leaves. Some 2+2 = stuff.
I think there's a biggie brewing in NBA trade circles. A Western Conference-race-changing biggie.
I've watched with curiosity and interest as the Phoenix Suns have unraveled. It's clearly a team of contrasting styles and ill-fitting parts. I and others have said I think they should return to their up-tempo roots, and that Shaq fits better in Dallas, but multiple reports say owner Robert Sarver is dead-set on avoiding a return to SmallBall. If they keep Shaq, what's their alternative? Their only realistic alternative, it seems, might be to trade Amare Stoudemire for a PF who might fit better alongside Shaq – but I haven't really believed they'd trade Amare given his age (26) and explosiveness.

But the situation is rapidly deteriorating farther and faster in the desert than anyone could have imagined, and it may now be past the point of no return.
While I don't claim to have moles inside the Suns HQ, little snippets here and there from people I listen to (should we call them "our sources" in order to make this a true Vesceyesque rumor-generator?) have me thinking that a big trade is brewing. ... or certainly, serious talks that could lead to this big trade.

A blockbuster.
One that involves two playoff teams and rivals in the Western Conference.
One that could create a deadline domino effect in the West, just like last year.
Don't be surprised if Amare gets traded by the deadline to Portland for LaMarcus Aldridge (with Raef Lafrentz included as trade filler for rules purposes).

The front offices in Portland and Phoenix have been regular trade partners in recent years, and much of the young talent now residing in Portland has come via picks they have scored in those deals with the Suns. These franchises have an open dialogue that they are comfortable with, and I think they are talking again. Seriously talking

Both sides may still be angling for a little more of this or that to be included while they're dealing. For example, Phoenix would also love to score a backup and heir to Nash and Portland has amassed a rich cache of youngsters at PG. .

Why for Portland? Amare would provide a more experienced and explosive interior scorer in the middle of the Portland youth corps. While Dallas-are-native Aldridge is young and talented, the track record of Amare is much more enticing - and he's still only 26.

Why for Phoenix? Aldridge is a bit more perimeter-oriented by nature (which better complements Shaq). He's also much more of a contributor on defense which the Suns badly need. And there's no question that Amare, for all his gifts, is unhappy, doesn't fit alongside Shaq, and presents a big problem to the Suns.

Both are young with a long future ahead of them in the NBA. It's a huge gamble for both teams however, in trading away a star performer from the center of a playoff contender and shaking up the mix, but I think the rewards on both sides are too great to pass up, and after much hand-wringing -- this deal really could happen.
After writing the above, but before we could get to print, other reports have emerged. Yahoo Sports says today that sources say Kerr has told teams that he’s willing to trade anyone on his roster except for Steve Nash, and goes on to speculate that Stoudemire is going somewhere and that the Suns are fielding offers for him. That jives with my perception, and furthermore, I say we should look for more articles from others in the coming days as the Suns now go under the microscope, with mentions of young PFs like Bosh and Beasley and potential trade partners like New York (where Amare's former coach D'Antoni now runs the wide-open offensive system STAT loves). Anything can happen - but we have reason to think that when the dust settles the Suns' partner will be Portland, and the acquisition will be Aldridge.

And what might this have to do with Dallas?

If it happens, this appreciably alters the playoff chase in the West as well as the fortunes of the two teams themselves. Adding Stoudemire's explosive interior play to Portland takes them from a nice up-and-coming talent-laden team of the future to a scary threat right now, and adding an enthusiastic talented PF who is willing to work on defense alongside Shaq brings Phoenix right back into the mix of contenders. If it happens (and I really think it will), expect this deal to motivate other teams – San Antonio? Houston? And yes, Dallas? -- to scurry to the trade table to discuss upgrades of their own in a quest to keep up with the moving and shaking.

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Portland would be nuts to do that trade. And it does not necessarily make Phoenix closer to a championship team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I would do that trade in a heartbeat

Especially if they somehow got Conley involved.

[YellowFever]

Why was Nash spared?

It's obvious the Suns are getting ready to rebuild or do they really think they can trade a major piece (granted amare is dumber than a doorknob) and still compete this year?

It's pretty obvious to me that Shaq's game and Nash's game are incompatible.

If they're going into rebuilding mode, do it from scratch.

Nash is a pretty good PG but judging by his age and ability to play in only one speed (granted he's probably the best in the league at that speed) and not to mention the most pathetic D I've ever seen, it only makes sense to keep Nash if you want to go back to Dantoni style offense, which they probably won't do.

[Armando]

Why was Nash spared?

It's obvious the Suns are getting ready to rebuild or do they really think they can trade a major piece (granted amare is dumber than a doorknob) and still compete this year?

It's pretty obvious to me that Shaq's game and Nash's game are incompatible.

If they're going into rebuilding mode, do it from scratch.

Nash is a pretty good PG but judging by his age and ability to play in only one speed (granted he's probably the best in the league at that speed) and not to mention the most pathetic D I've ever seen, it only makes sense to keep Nash if you want to go back to Dantoni style offense, which they probably won't do.

The irony being thier defense was better under D'Antoni then with Porter.

[vicphoenix13]

Why was Nash spared?

It's obvious the Suns are getting ready to rebuild or do they really think they can trade a major piece (granted amare is dumber than a doorknob) and still compete this year?

It's pretty obvious to me that Shaq's game and Nash's game are incompatible.

If they're going into rebuilding mode, do it from scratch.

Nash is a pretty good PG but judging by his age and ability to play in only one speed (granted he's probably the best in the league at that speed) and not to mention the most pathetic D I've ever seen, it only makes sense to keep Nash if you want to go back to Dantoni style offense, which they probably won't do.

The reason Nash isn't being shopped is because the Suns don't have a point guard waiting to take over. The Suns only trade Nash if they can get a young point guard in return.

[YellowFever]

The reason Nash isn't being shopped is because the Suns don't have a point guard waiting to take over. The Suns only trade Nash if they can get a young point guard in return.

Ergo, my question: Why was Nash spared?

If he's not on the trading block, there will be no deals with young PG for Nash.

Better to put him up and say "I got Steve freaking Nash here to trade for a decent young PG."

[Armando]

Ergo, my question: Why was Nash spared?

If he's not on the trading block, there will be no deals with young PG for Nash.

Better to put him up and say "I got Steve freaking Nash here to trade for a decent young PG."

I would think even Nash is there for the taking if the right player is offered.

[peskypesky]

I would think even Nash is there for the taking if the right player is offered.

Jason Kidd?

[JMarkJohns]

I would think even Nash is there for the taking if the right player is offered.

I bet New York jumps all over one of these two deals...

Nash to the Knicks for Lee/2nd/Rose... Knicks get their true PG, reunite him with D'Antoni, and don't hinder their 2010 salary CAP by doing so.

or, even better...

Nash to Knicks for Lee/Robinson or Chandler/Jeffries... Knicks get Nash and actually get to dump significant money in the process. With Nash and Duhon, the novelty act that is Robinson isn't necessary, so he's the likeliest of he and Chandler to be traded. The Suns would own his restricted rights and could match any reasonable offer. The Knicks would be willing to part with a quality package like Lee and Robinson because Phoenix takes Jeffries 7 million 2010-11 salary off their books, freeing it up for all the stars they'll be after that offseason. By including Robinson, they also save the likely MLE-salary he'll cost them to keep, or by including Chandler, they'll save two million and his extension going forward.

I think if the Suns really pushed, they could snatch Lee (whom the Knicks have no real interest in keeping as he's not a D'Antoni guy), Robinson and Chandler, though it may cost them Barbosa and require them to take on Rose as well.

Nash/Barbosa for Lee/Robinson/Chandler/Jeffries/Rose works and makes sense for each team.