Why there shouldn't be a CP3/Deron debate

[balli]

He's the only member of the Jazz worth respecting. The rest of the team is either lying bags, flopping pussies, or hacking thugs who get away with it because they're white and love Jesus.

-SpursHaveFourRings

I don't know if you actually believe that or not, (you'd be stupid to) but I'll say the same thing I told the Rockets crew a couple days ago:

WTF do you have against Brewer, Millsap, CJ, Almond, Brevin Knight, Ronnie Price, Big Fes, etc? All classy, clean, likable, fun to watch guys and if you really do hate players like that, it's your problem, not theirs.

So I'd suggest you just focus on your own miserable failure of a team.

[BRHornet45]

2006
Paul:
16 points
8 assists
5 rebounds
2 steals
2.3 TO

Williams:
10 points
5 assists
2 rebounds
1 steal
1.8 TO

2007
Paul:
17 points
9 assists
4 rebounds
3 steals
2.5 TO

Williams:
16 points
9 assists
3 rebounds
1 steal
3.0 TO

2008
Paul:
21 points
12 assists
4 rebounds
3 steals
2.5 TO

Williams:
19 points
11 assists
3 rebounds
1 steal
3.4 TO

2009
Paul:
21.4 points
11.1 assists
5 rebounds
3 steals
2.9 TO

Williams:
18.9 points
10.6 assists
3 rebounds
1 steal
3.4 TO

[balli]

^ That's as shallow an analysis as you can get. cp3 es, moans, cries and takes his team out of games by acting like a spoiled child. He runs an easier, more transition prone system and is lucky that he has one of the longest players in the league to throw lob passes to. He get's posted up and smoked by anybody with any size. Conversely, did anybody notice just how much Deron frustrated C. Billups the other night? On both ends. Oh, but Paul gambles and gets a lot of steals, which makes him first team all-D, right?

I'm not going to say there aren't good arguments for paul. I get it. I understand how the case could be made that he's better. But I'm mystified by the Paul supporters who don't say the same in regards to the arguments for Deron. It's insultingly biased.

Oh and IDK if anybody's watching the Toronto game, but of course, Deron's getting it done again in crunch time.

[lefty]

^ That's as shallow an analysis as you can get. cp3 es, moans, cries and takes his team out of games by acting like a spoiled child. He runs an easier, more transition prone system and is lucky that he has one of the longest players in the league to throw lob passes to. He get's posted up and smoked by anybody with any size. Conversely, did anybody notice just how much Deron frustrated C. Billups the other night? On both ends. Oh, but Paul gambles and gets a lot of steals, which makes him first team all-D, right?

I'm not going to say there aren't good arguments for paul. I get it. I understand how the case could be made that he's better. But I'm mystified by the Paul supporters who don't say the same in regards to the arguments for Deron. It's insultingly biased.

Oh and IDK if anybody's watching the Toronto game, but of course, Deron's getting it done again in crunch time.

Anthony Parker choked really bad

[BRHornet45]

even more fun stats sons ...

2006
Paul:
.430 FG%
.282 3P%
.847 FT%
Total Points: 1258
All Star? No

Williams:
.421 FG%
.416 3P%
.704 FT%
Total Points: 864
All Star? No

2007
Paul:
.437 FG%
.350 3P%
.818 FT%
Total Points: 1104
All Star? No

Williams:
.456 FG%
.322 3P%
.767 FT%
Total Points: 1297
All Star? No

2008
Paul:
.488 FG%
.369 3P%
.851 FT%
Total Points: 1684
All Star? Yes

Williams
.507 FG%
.395 3P%
.803 FT%
Total Points: 1545
All Star? No

2009 (as of 3/8)
Paul:
.497 FG%
.348 3P%
.852 FT%
Total Points: 1217
All Star? Yes (Starter)

Williams
.470 FG%
.316 3P%
.833 FT%
Total Points: 906
All Star? No

[BRHornet45]

^ That's as shallow an analysis as you can get. cp3 es, moans, cries and takes his team out of games by acting like a spoiled child. He runs an easier, more transition prone system and is lucky that he has one of the longest players in the league to throw lob passes to. He get's posted up and smoked by anybody with any size. Conversely, did anybody notice just how much Deron frustrated C. Billups the other night? On both ends. Oh, but Paul gambles and gets a lot of steals, which makes him first team all-D, right?

I'm not going to say there aren't good arguments for paul. I get it. I understand how the case could be made that he's better. But I'm mystified by the Paul supporters who don't say the same in regards to the arguments for Deron. It's insultingly biased.

Oh and IDK if anybody's watching the Toronto game, but of course, Deron's getting it done again in crunch time.

son the only thing Williams has on Paul is the 3 point shot and Paul has improved tremendously in that area this season and has a much better 3P% than Williams now ..... just like the ball, son the stats don't lie.

[balli]

BR, I'd suggest you go back to the other CP3 v. Deron thread and check out those stat charts I posted. You'll be surprised.

And LMAO at you son for listing All-Star appearances. It's not Deron's fault that he got shafted last year by the undeserved Brandon Roy appearance. And this year, it's not his fault Derrick Rose blew up his [Deron's] ankle four games before the season started.

[balli]

son the only thing Williams has on Paul is the 3 point shot

Well that... and about 10 dominating, blowout wins.

[BRHornet45]

BR, I'd suggest you go back to the other CP3 v. Deron thread and check out those stat charts I posted. You'll be surprised.

And LMAO at you son for listing All-Star appearances. It's not Deron's fault that he got shafted last year by the undeserved Brandon Roy appearance. And this year, it's not his fault Derrick Rose blew up his [Deron's] ankle four games before the season started.

son all of the stats are right there in front of you so I suggest you take a closer look yourself. check out basketball-reference.com if you would like.

you LOL at me listing the all star appearance, yet if it was the other way around then you know DAMN WELL you would bring it up too. none the less, the fact is that Paul is a 2 time all star and Williams hasn't even made the team yet. however, yes I know there are many players who get screwed with all star selections and that is no way to judge a player, but why not bring up? you want to brag about Williams being the best PG in the NBA, yet he hasn't even made the all star team yet! AGAIN SON ... just look at the stats. they don't lie.

[BRHornet45]

Well that... and about 10 dominating, blowout wins.

son in case you forgot, Williams was blessed to walk into a contending playoff team from the start of his career while Paul walked into a trash team. That tends to help.

[balli]

son in case you forgot, Williams was blessed to walk into a contending playoff team from the start of his career while Paul walked into a trash team. That tends to help.

Actually we had 26 wins the season before Deron was here.

And considering the Hornets had a better record than Utah last year and this year, that's not the argument I'd be making. You're better than Utah against everybody else, but we still curbstomp you. What's the difference?

[balli]

that is no way to judge a player, but why not bring up?

Mainly because,

that is no way to judge a player.

[lefty]

Hard to say who's the best

But I pick Deron because of the better behavior on the court

[BRHornet45]

Actually we had 26 wins the season before Deron was here.

And considering the Hornets had a better record than Utah last year and this year, that's not the argument I'd be making. You're better than Utah against everybody else, but we still curbstomp you. What's the difference?

son Utah is a great team and Williams is the 2nd best point guard in the league. There is no doubting that. We have trouble with you guys for 2 reasons ... 1. Utah is bigger than us at every position and 2. like every other team in the NBA that loses to Utah, most of Utah's wins are coming from the typical back to back west coast road trips that teams have to endure. (hence why Utah has such a great home record).

Again you bring up the past season records. hmmm, Paul came into an 18 win, lottery team and in 3 years turned them into a 56 win playoff team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He's the only member of the Jazz worth respecting. The rest of the team is either lying bags, flopping pussies, or hacking thugs who get away with it because they're white and love Jesus.

-SpursHaveFourRings

or gay centers

[BRHornet45]

Mainly because,

son, but you know it hurts so bad whenever you brag about your boy Williams and then you remember that he isn't even an NBA all star yet! not to mention he can't even make the NBA first team! yet in your mind, he is the best!!!!! LOL

but hey lets say the awards and honors that Paul dominates Williams in though. LOOK AT THE STATS, PAUL OWNS WILLIAM THERE TOO. THEY DON'T LIE!

[BlackSwordsMan]

does deron williams eat eva longoria burritos in san antonio? uh no
CP 3 POINT AND MATCH

[balli]

LOOK AT THE STATS, PAUL OWNS WILLIAM THERE TOO. THEY DON'T LIE!

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...0&postcount=38

[BRHornet45]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...0&postcount=38

LMAO at your biased little BS chart that YOU CREATED .... son look at the REAL numbers.

Paul
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../paulch01.html

Williams
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...willide01.html

LMAO at you trying to make a bull chart on your own to twist the stats around!!!!

[balli]

I didn't make it. And it's not twisting anything. It's a timeline of their stats month by month. I can't help that Paul's numbers have been in months long decline while Deron's have been steadily rising as he's gotten healthy. That's just what the stats are. And they don't lie.

[Ghazi]

Stats... stats... stats.

The two PG's are obviously very close in production, so let's just throw the stats out the window. Anyway they favor CP3 slightly only because the Hornets run a bull offense whereas the Jazz offense has structure and superior players at nearly every position.

So the difference? Poise.

You know, the poise that allows Deron to come back from 2-0 in a series and the poise that Paul doesn't have, allowing him to defer to Jannero mutha in Pargo in the 4th quarter of a crucial game 7 and BLOW a 2-0 series.

The same poise that allows Deron to take the last shot for his team in a season, and the lack of poise that allows for CP3 the whiny little flopper who thinks he's en led to respect but isn't to go scoreless the final 6:52 of a game.

Poise guys, poise. Deron has it, CP3 doesn't.

And I can't believe much more isn't made of CP3's 4th quarter performance against the Spurs. Many other superstars would've been crucified if they did that .

If it's Game 7 of a series for our beloved Mavs and JJ ing Barea takes 3 times as many shots as Dirk costing the team the game, you think we beloved Mavs fans would EVER hear the end of it?

[Pelicans78]

The Jazz will play a fresh Hornets team in New Orleans late in the season. We'll see the truth by that time.

[Pelicans78]

Stats... stats... stats.

The two PG's are obviously very close in production, so let's just throw the stats out the window. Anyway they favor CP3 slightly only because the Hornets run a bull offense whereas the Jazz offense has structure and superior players at nearly every position.

So the difference? Poise.

You know, the poise that allows Deron to come back from 2-0 in a series and the poise that Paul doesn't have, allowing him to defer to Jannero mutha in Pargo in the 4th quarter of a crucial game 7 and BLOW a 2-0 series.

The same poise that allows Deron to take the last shot for his team in a season, and the lack of poise that allows for CP3 the whiny little flopper who thinks he's en led to respect but isn't to go scoreless the final 6:52 of a game.

Poise guys, poise. Deron has it, CP3 doesn't.

And I can't believe much more isn't made of CP3's 4th quarter performance against the Spurs. Many other superstars would've been crucified if they did that .

If it's Game 7 of a series for our beloved Mavs and JJ ing Barea takes 3 times as many shots as Dirk costing the team the game, you think we beloved Mavs fans would EVER hear the end of it?

If the Jazz beat you guys 4-1 last season, you would hate Deron Williams more than anyone else.

[BRHornet45]

Stats... stats... stats.

The two PG's are obviously very close in production, so let's just throw the stats out the window. Anyway they favor CP3 slightly only because the Hornets run a bull offense whereas the Jazz offense has structure and superior players at nearly every position.

So the difference? Poise.

You know, the poise that allows Deron to come back from 2-0 in a series and the poise that Paul doesn't have, allowing him to defer to Jannero mutha in Pargo in the 4th quarter of a crucial game 7 and BLOW a 2-0 series.

The same poise that allows Deron to take the last shot for his team in a season, and the lack of poise that allows for CP3 the whiny little flopper who thinks he's en led to respect but isn't to go scoreless the final 6:52 of a game.

Poise guys, poise. Deron has it, CP3 doesn't.

And I can't believe much more isn't made of CP3's 4th quarter performance against the Spurs. Many other superstars would've been crucified if they did that .

If it's Game 7 of a series for our beloved Mavs and JJ ing Barea takes 3 times as many shots as Dirk costing the team the game, you think we beloved Mavs fans would EVER hear the end of it?

LMAO GHAZI!!!! your pipe is obviously still sore from the poise Paul showed last season in ass raping your Mavs.

[Ghazi]

The Jazz will play a fresh Hornets team in New Orleans late in the season. We'll see the truth by that time.

So the Jazz skull in the Hornets twice this year and 10 times in the last 12 games isn't the "truth"?

What about last year when late in the season they came into NOLA and skull ed da Hornets, holding them to 66 points and disallowing them from achieving a #1 seed