In that case the Spurs wouldn't have the '99 le if Krause had kept Bulls together. , it took the Spurs till '03 to get their 2nd.
Oh GAWD, this is the wrong place to mention that season. Those homers cling on to that season like there baby hanging from a bridge. But its true. That season was the biggest ing joke of all time in any sport. The NFL strike season is pretty darn close but the priduct the NBA put out that year takes the cake.In that case the Spurs wouldn't have the '99 le if Krause had kept Bulls together. , it took the Spurs till '03 to get their 2nd.
lol, saying Drexler is on Kobe's level is as stupid as saying Kobe is on Jordan's level.
Drexler was pretty ing good.
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how come the rocks never won a le when jordan was playing? they could only win when he retired
Rudy joined the team in the summer of 1992, and so did Robert Horry (who was great as a SF)
The Rockets almost made it to the WCF that season ( ing refs bailed the Sonics out to have a division rivals matchup in the WCF); I'm sure the Rockets would have beaten the Suns afterwards
The following season, Elie and Cassel were the final piece of the puzzle
In a nuts , they sucked before 92-93 and became really strong in a 2 year span, so there was no way they could have contended for a le before that, anyway.
One thing to point out about that Bulls team is that, as great as it was, it played in the inferior conference. The teams Houston beat in the 1995 WC Playoffs were better than any of the teams Chicago played in the EC Playoffs in '96, '97, and probably '98 as well (although the Pacers were solid.) the Knicks and Heat were garbage teams.
Houston's '95 le run speaks for itself. Show me a better one.
Good point; in 95, the Jazz, Suns and Spurs were the heavy favorites to win the NBA le
Jordan played in 95 when they won. He averaged 31 ppg in his elimination series but couldnt get past Shaq's magic, who were later swept by the Rockets.
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The '95 Rockets were a of a team and are underrated in history, but since their le I'd take the following teams to beat them:
96 Bulls
97 Bulls
99 Spurs
00 Lakers
01 Lakers
03 Spurs
08 Celtics
Yeah, I can see Perkins/Garnett, Allen and Rondo stopping Hakeem, Clyde and Cassel
Close my ass. Kobe would run circles around Clyde.
Robert Horry played his best ball as a Laker from 2000-2002 & as a Spur (in 2005).
Kenny Smith is a terrific pg?Dude Kenny is a scrub, period.
Be real man!!! Any Jordan teams from the 90's would've beaten the Rockets. The 89 & 90 Pistons would've shut down Hakeem completely.
BTW the 89 & 90 Pistons are one of the most underrated teams ever. They were the ones who cost Jordan another 2, maybe 3 championships.
The OP should change the le to
most Underrated team ever- '1989 & 1990 Pistons
Now they earned those championships. BTW they could've won the 1988 finals as well.
If you mean as good as 95 Jordan who made bonehead plays in the ECF and only had a month and a half preparation for the playoffs.... still no, Jordan was still a better player.
drexler for much of his career was damn close to kobe, especially that '95 playoff run.Close my ass. Kobe would run circles around Clyde.
Kenny Smith is a terrific pg?
Ksmith was def not a scrub, he was one of the leagues top 3point shooters, clutch as and a solid PG.
OH AND WHO IS THAT IN YOUR AVATAR??
actually i went back and watched some old vids. Drexler was better.Close my ass. Kobe would run circles around Clyde.
Robert Horry played his best ball as a Laker from 2000-2002 & as a Spur (in 2005).
Kenny Smith is a terrific pg?
Be real man!!! Any Jordan teams from the 90's would've beaten the Rockets. The 89 & 90 Pistons would've shut down Hakeem completely.
BTW the 89 & 90 Pistons are one of the most underrated teams ever. They were the ones who cost Jordan another 2, maybe 3 championships.
Ahh, unfortunately I wasn't quite young enough...hehe. That was the first season I started following the Suns closely...don't remind me...I cried my eyes out after they were eliminated. LOL.
Laimbeer? Brad Daugherty abused Laimbeer. Rodmonian? How did he do in '95?
they would've never won a ring if MJ hadn't retired, so no, they're not under-rated. if anything, they're over-rated.
fwiw hakeem's rocket teams were 10-8 v. jordan's chicago teams in his career.
anyhow...i think the most interesting discussion coming out of this is how does drexler compare to kobe. kobe is obviously the better scorer but their career per 36 numbers are pretty comparable with clyde averaging more rebs, assists, and steals. clyde was a worse 3pt shooter but with the prevalence of the 3pter in today's game you would have to think clyde's 3 pointer would have been better if he grew up in today's game since he was able to develop that shot as his career progressed. also, drexler was definitely not a slouch on d even though he doesn't have nba all defensive teams to his credit.
i think it's interesting to note that drexler missed out on 2 quadruple doubles in his career.
same with the spurs in 99' then right?
hey guess what? The spurs used horry to suspend stoudamire so astrix by that too. If anything, its overrated
They would have definitely beaten the Bulls in 95 with no Horace Grant and no Rodman. They would have prob beaten the 98 Bulls, and would have an outside shot at beating the 93 team. No way in against the 92, 96, 97, or 91 teams though.
Wow...the same old tired arguments in these debates. It's funny that they still need to be shattered.
Myth: The Rockets only won because Jordan was retired.
Fact: Jordan played in 1995. His team lost because they didn't have a PF (theirs played on the team that eliminated them). I don't think you will find too many le teams that have their SF and SG leading them in rebounds.
Myth: 95 Jordan was rusty and wasn't the same.
Fact: 95 Jordan put up better numbers than he did in the 2nd 3-peat. But as last years Lakers showed the world, if you can't control the paint you can't win. All of Jordan's le teams had great interior defense. That wasn't the case in 95.
Myth: The Rockets would not have stood a chance against Chicago.
Fact: The Rockets had a winning record against those Bulls, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO ONE WHO COULD CONTAIN HAKEEM. Again, the Rockets usually beat Chicago. Hakeem also dominated the paint and was able to focus on help defense since Chicago didn't have any pivot worth holding.
Fact: The teams that gave the Bulls the most trouble had centers. The Knicks took them to 7 games with Ewing. The Magic beat them with Shaq. The Pacers took them to 7 with Smits. None of these players were as good as Hakeem on either side of the ball. None of these teams had a dude that could close games like Hakeem could.
Now if your claim is Houston couldn't beat Chicago, at least try to stop with the "MJ was God" arguments and address these points of mine:
1) Who was going to hold Hakeem. No seriously, who the was going to hold Hakeem. He put up 29 a night in the 94 playoffs, and dropped 27 a night in the Finals against a trio of Ewing, Oakley and Mason. He did this on 50% shooting, in a defensvie series where his team only averaged 86 ppg. That's providing 31% of the teams offense against a great defensive frontcourt!! And while doing that, he held Ewing to 19 ppg on 36%. In the 95 playoffs he put up 33 a night. That's more than MJ put up in 4 of his 6 le years. In other words...Hakeem could churn points just like Jordan...and I would argue he was doing it against better defenders. We all know how he torched the Robinson/Rodman combo (while holding Robinson on the other end). He put up 33 a game on Shaq as well, while also holding him on the other end. Yet, I am supposed to believe that he could be contained by any pivot the Bulls could throw at him...even the undersized Dennis Rodman??? Especially considering that he doesn't have to hold any of those dudes on the other side of the court. For those that don't get it...if you can drop 30 a night while checking a great center....life get's easier for you when you face up against worst defensive frontcourts....that also can't score against you on the other end.
2) The Rockets won by either having Hakeem or Clyde score (mainly Hakeem), or by hitting open three pointers. That means to beat them, you have to either hope you can neutralize Hakeem or that dudes are missing 3's. It's clear as day that no one from the Bulls could stop Hakeem....and the Rockets weren't missing 3's that postseason (Drexler-30%, Horry-40%, Cassell-40%, Smith-44%, Elie-43%, Chilcutt-39%).
3) I kinda already covered this one but I wanna point it out again. You are taking arguably the best defensive center ever (he is in the convo), an athletic freak like Robinson with the speed to chase down guards and insane shotblocking ability and recovery time....and putting him in a series where he doesn't have to hold anyone and letting him just sit in the lane and play help defense???? Do you not wonder why we used to routinely beat Chicago? At least the Sonics had centers that could camp out at the 3 point line and draw Hakeem out of the paint...but the Bulls had no one worth paying attention to.
Now that 96 Bulls team was one of the greatest that I ever saw. I'm not sure anyone could have beaten them with the way they were playing that year (i.e. they didn't play the same way in 97 or 98). But in 95 the Rockets simply would not die...so I don't know.
But at least argue with some valid points and not just the "MJ is great" garbage....
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