most Underrated team ever- '95 Rockets

[kingmalaki]

Jordan played 17 en games after a 1.5 year hiatus.

Yep, and his playoff numbers were better than his numbers from the 2nd 3-peat.

Are you seriously this dense? 17 en games after a 1.5 year hiatus. Digest that.

How hard is it to digest that his playoff numbers were better than his numbers from the 2nd 3-peat? Please make me understand why 17 games matters when you drop 55 in your 3rd game back and put up better numbers than you did for the next 3 seasons???

Knicks team? You mean the same Knicks team that an MJ-less team took to 7 games? That one?

Yeah..it's easy to drop 55. It only took what, 14 years for someone to go in there and drop more.

He got his together and teabagged the rest of the league the following year.

Does getting his together include him convincing Dennis Rodman to join the team, since not having a PF is why they lost in 95? Or does this significant difference not click for you? 91-93...PF. 95...no PF...wings leading the team in rebounds (yeah, that's a way to win). 96-98...PF.

[baseline bum]

Wow, we both have the fulls games so we both know better? I guess our eyes see different things.

Pippen switched on Magic in game 2 due to MJ's foul trouble...they saw the effects (i.e. Jordan not having to expend energy checking him, ala how MJ had it every year once Scottie developed)...and stuck with it.

And who was checking MJ? Scott? Worthy, lol. The main point still remains, which you have yet to counter. Hakeem dominated elite bigs in 94 and 95, including 3 dudes who are arguably in the list of top defenders ever at their positions (Ewing, Robinson and Rodman). He did this while having to check them on the other end. In case you still can't grasp it, he put up Jordan numbers in 95....against dominant pivots. So why could he not do the same against the stiffs Chicago had? Does Jordan's 35 on 48% count more than Hakeem's 35 on 53%? Do they award an extra half point for every bucket MJ scores or something? Because if not, I see two players who no one can stop...with the only difference being the Rockets defenders were no worse than the dudes MJ put up 35 a night on....but the Bulls pivots on the other hand....

Then you're just a flat-out liar if you're saying Pippen was the main defender on Magic. I guess you can safely lie like that, knowing I'm not going to post 25 GB of video just to shoot you down beyond any shadow of doubt.

[benefactor]

This argument can go on forever...and no one can really be right. It would be an epic finals for sure. I think it would come down to which player could dominate the game more...Jordan or Dream. Both would without a doubt have their way.

[sook]

Why would you explicitly say Thorpe when you know that he wasn’t on the playoff roster when that is knowledge so common that you would expect everyone to know?
Here it is, once more.

What about Vernon Maxwell? Who do you include in a 7-game series? I would imagine the playoff roster, and definitely not double counting a player who was traded for another significant piece in the middle of the season.

Learn to read better. I said the shortened three point line benefited the Rockets because of their offensive set. A team with a dominant pivot and a bunch of 3 point shooters would benefit more than teams with other offense with a shortened 3 point line, get it?

That poster was SpursDynasty, get with the times.

Reading is FUNdamental.

Again, i expected most of the people to know that mad max and thorpe were no longer part of the team. The fact all you're doing is just pointing that out instead of refuting my points just shows the basis of your argument.

Stick with the philosophy of the 3 pt line shortening considering it wasn't shortened both years the rockets won the championship.

During the 1994–95, 1995–96, and 1996-97 seasons, the NBA attempted to address decreased scoring (due to tougher style defenses) by shortening the overall distance of the line to a uniform 22 feet (6.7 m) around the basket. Dennis Scott used this rule change to set a record for most three-pointers in a season:

Obviously though, every rule change benefits the rockets and you just aren't man enough to accept they won fair and square. I guess reading being fundamental really explains a lot about your rudimentary claims.

That other poster that said that wasn't Spursdynasty it was jacksommerset, so congrats on making yourself look like an ignorant ass, and again reading is "Fundamental," and get with the times dude.

[ambchang]

Again, i expected most of the people to know that mad max and thorpe were no longer part of the team. The fact all you're doing is just pointing that out instead of refuting my points just shows the basis of your argument.

What in the world are you talking about? Since Mad Max and Thorpe were not on the team, and you expect everyone to know that, you pointed out that the 95 Rockets team was a solid team with “Big names like Otis Thorpe who was an all star, sam cassel, and Vernon Maxwell who shut Jordan down on a n number of occasions”. How does these two even coexist?
And why would I have to refute your point when you are not even sure what your own point was? For all I could understand, I DID refute your point by pointing out that counting Thorpe and Maxwell was not correct in assessing how the 95 Rockets would fare against other teams since neither of them were on the playoff roster.

Stick with the philosophy of the 3 pt line shortening considering it wasn't shortened both years the rockets won the championship.
Obviously though, every rule change benefits the rockets and you just aren't man enough to accept they won fair and square. I guess reading being fundamental really explains a lot about your rudimentary claims.

But it did in 95. And 95 rockets were very different from the 94 rockets. In fact, the NBA had to shorten the three point line because scoring was atrocious in the previous season. The Rockets were an inside out team that was heavily reliant on 3 point shooting, there really wasn’t any question to that, and by having a shorter 3 point line, it would benefit teams that shoots lots of 3 pointers. It’s just simple logic.
Of course, as stated earlier, it would be still depend on the ability of an inside player that can pass as well as Hakeem on double teams, and people with quick releases like Horry, Cassell and Smith, but a team like the Rockets would benefit the most. Kudos to them for winning the championship that year, but that year was very different from the rest (except the following two) because of the shortened 3 point line that makes offense and defense different from the other NBA seasons.
Back to your comprehension skills, I explicitly stated the Rockets benefited from the shortened 3 point line by stating that they were a team that was reliant on 3 point shooting. You somehow interpreted that as saying that only the Rockets benefited.

That other poster that said that wasn't Spursdynasty it was jacksommerset, so congrats on making yourself look like an ignorant ass, and again reading is "Fundamental," and get with the times dude.

Really?

The '95 Rockets were okay...they just showed up to play. I think the league kind of thought that everything would come easy without the MJ Bulls....so, most teams took it easy and a 6th seeded team won the NBA Championship. They just wanted it more than anyone else. The 2008 G.S. Warriors had a better regular season record than these guys. So, it goes to show that when no one cares, anyone can show up, make their shots, and win a championship. Without M.J. in the league, easy task...so, credit is due for their championship, but they aren't in the top 10 teams of all time.

And here is your original quote

A poster earlier claimed that the rockets just had a different mentality and it somehow had to do with Jordan. People make way too many excuses.

So SpursDynasty did not say that the rockets had a different mentality by saying that “they just wanted it more than anyone else?” .
So SpursDynasty did not say that it had to do with Jordan when he said “So, it goes to show that when no one cares, anyone can show up, make their shots, and win a championship. Without M.J. in the league, easy task”?
I am not aware that not being read your mind of knowing exactly which poster you were talking about would contribute as ignorance.

[sook]

What in the world are you talking about? Since Mad Max and Thorpe were not on the team, and you expect everyone to know that, you pointed out that the 95 Rockets team was a solid team with “Big names like Otis Thorpe who was an all star, sam cassel, and Vernon Maxwell who shut Jordan down on a n number of occasions”. How does these two even coexist?
And why would I have to refute your point when you are not even sure what your own point was? For all I could understand, I DID refute your point by pointing out that counting Thorpe and Maxwell was not correct in assessing how the 95 Rockets would fare against other teams since neither of them were on the playoff roster.

But it did in 95. And 95 rockets were very different from the 94 rockets. In fact, the NBA had to shorten the three point line because scoring was atrocious in the previous season. The Rockets were an inside out team that was heavily reliant on 3 point shooting, there really wasn’t any question to that, and by having a shorter 3 point line, it would benefit teams that shoots lots of 3 pointers. It’s just simple logic.
Of course, as stated earlier, it would be still depend on the ability of an inside player that can pass as well as Hakeem on double teams, and people with quick releases like Horry, Cassell and Smith, but a team like the Rockets would benefit the most. Kudos to them for winning the championship that year, but that year was very different from the rest (except the following two) because of the shortened 3 point line that makes offense and defense different from the other NBA seasons.
Back to your comprehension skills, I explicitly stated the Rockets benefited from the shortened 3 point line by stating that they were a team that was reliant on 3 point shooting. You somehow interpreted that as saying that only the Rockets benefited.


Really?


And here is your original quote

So SpursDynasty did not say that the rockets had a different mentality by saying that “they just wanted it more than anyone else?” .
So SpursDynasty did not say that it had to do with Jordan when he said “So, it goes to show that when no one cares, anyone can show up, make their shots, and win a championship. Without M.J. in the league, easy task”?
I am not aware that not being read your mind of knowing exactly which poster you were talking about would contribute as ignorance.

Jordan ruled the league. He played a big ass mind on every team by his superior play. My opinion is just a opinion. The Rockets were the team that said " ing Jordan is out, anyone can win the damn thing" They went with that and won. When the greatest player in the history of the game came back, the Rockets motivational theme left the building. They fell in line with everyone else.

I don't know but i guess that doesn't sound like the "Winning just based on the jordan leaving mentality" i was talking about.

I also said that was probably the most decent post SpursDynasty ever made and partly agreed with it.

[ambchang]

I don't know but i guess that doesn't sound like the "Winning just based on the jordan leaving mentality" i was talking about.
I also said that was probably the most decent post SpursDynasty ever made and partly agreed with it.

Did I ever say that Jack Sommerset what you said he did? If you were talking about that, then state it, but fact was SpursDynasty also said it, and I was not wrong in saying that SD did.

I am still interested in seeing your take on the Thorpe/Maxwell comment, and how a shortened 3-pt line didn’t help a team that has a team with an offense heavily reliant on the 3-pt shot.