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    Hill can't create, Mason can't create. Duncan can't create since no one is doubling him. Once Parker is off the floor, with no Manu, the Spurs have no one that can create and get easy shots for others or even for themselves. Name me a team that can put no one on the floor that can create and is still successful.

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    Come PO's Pop and the Spurs can't afford to BS.

    Bowen Duncan Manu Parker all need to start.

    Duncan to be the defensive anchor and fascilitator on offense. With his injury, that's the most you can ask him to do and be effective.

    I'm not sure how much pain he's playing with, but it must be signficant, enough that it takes away from his focus to make bunnies (easy baskets), especially on the move. So don't make him do that.

    Let him use everything he has on defense around the paint.

    Bowen will set the tone and not allow the opposing # 1 or 2 scorer to get into a flow. Yes he's 37, but he hasn't logged many minutes at all this season. I figure he has a vast store of energy to use on defense, to go all out for 16-24 games.

    Parker and Manu to push the tempo, score and draw fouls. Enough said.

    I think KT or Fab for center, for their vertan grit, experience and screen setting. They can score around the basket on putbacks or short jumpers. They also need to go all out on rebounding, to eliminate second chance opporunities.

    Manu has been with these guys for years so they is no 'gelling' time needed. This eliminates or mitigates problems that might arise with having Manu playing with the 2nd unit, with players that will defer to him or be uncomfortable.

    Mason needs to come off the bench. It's not a demotion, but he's not a starter. I believe all this time he's gotten was so he could learn the system as quickly as possible through experience.. to be a stronger player on the 2nd unit. To be Manu lite. The offense will run through him, against 2nd tier compe ion and he can dominate the ball and shoot as much as he pleases.

    Fin needs to take a Kerr role, Bonner an Horry role, and Drew Gooden to sub in for Duncan post work. Hill can come in for Parker for a dozen minutes to keep the attack energy up, probably more on the defensive side.

    And Ime subs in for Bowen, to keep the defensive intensity amped. Let Ime put a physical pounding on the opposing scorers after Bowen has already pestered and taxed them with his gnatty defense. Tire them out, and then hit them in the mouth. That's a good combination.

    Once Manu gets up to speed let him log the most minutes. He's a rhythm player and needs those minutes to find his groove. Also he should be the healthiest player on the team at that point and freshest. This will ease the burden on Parker.

    Parker is starting to lose some steam, due to fatigue, he just needs to be stay at a high level while Manu reacclimates. Of all the players to be winded at this point in the season, Parker is the one. He's young and can recover the most between games. So with limited time during the earlier rounds, he might be back to near full strength come the WCF.

    As pieces I still think this roster can win although small margin for error, so the Spurs need to come out with their best for 48 minutes.

    They can't get 'let games get away' and have series baloon up to 6 or 7 games.

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    The only question I have is whether Hill set the new SpursTalk record for going from Hall of Famer to scrub. It seems like just the other day I was arguing that Hill was not going to end up better than Tony Parker. Now I have to go to bat for Hill because he's viewed as worse than Jacque Vaughn

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    The only difference between Hill in November & December and the Hill of now is the minutes Pop has given him.

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    The only difference between Hill in November & December and the Hill of now is the minutes Pop has given him.
    Disagree.

    The difference is Hill was forced into a role when there were no other options. When Ginobili returned, Hill began playing like he didn't want to step on the toes of any of the established veterans. That passiveness has yet to subside.

    But I'm confident that once he ups his level of aggression back to where it was early in the season that he has the ability to become a top flight backup point guard.

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    Now I have to go to bat for Hill because he's viewed as worse than Jacque Vaughn
    Don't count me amongst those viewing him as worse than Jaques Vaughn although right now as far as creating in the half court I don't think he's even as good as Jaques at this stage the way he's playing. Difference is you feel it's just a matter of aggression and I think it's in large part skill/development and his early success was in large part that he wasn't known. He is VERY predictable in the half-court.

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    Good point Timvp, but Pop has given him less minutes as the backup PG. Mason has taken those minutes away and taking away time from Hill overall. I too think Hill needs to be aggressive when he has the ball in his hands. The man has the quickness and athleticism to create.

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    I agree with all Bruno said. And I don't see the point of Mason being PG when Manu is on, might as well have a new and an old guard for each unit. If Mason keeps getting TPs spare minutes with Manu getting 20+ mins, he won't be the real PG anyways, Manu will.

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    NO, go back to Hill or...can't believe I am saying this...Vaughn. Mason is a terrible PG. I think it has affected his overall game and the rhythm of the team.

    Or better yet, in the playoffs play Tony 40+ minutes and just live with the results of the other 8.

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    Mason is fine.

    His ability to sink 3 pointers is his strength.

    I am fairly sure he will learn the system over time. If not, he's out. No big deal.

    next thread.
    Partially agree, he 3s rocks I am a great fan of his outside shot (how to forget that sweet piece of art against Boston or that against Lakers ) anyhow he is not ready to run this team when the game is on the line period.

    I'd like to develop him in 2nd/3rd quarter but never in the 4th, in those cases the ball should go to TP, Manu, Hill ....

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    Hill is not a PG and will never be a PG........we tried this experiment once with a 2 Guard and we know it does not work. He can not create easy basket for players so you get no assists from him and he has tunnel vison when he does take the ball to the rim. Also he has a hard time finishing at the rim and as of late has no outside shot to speak off.

    They are certain skills you can teach and players can learn in time but PG skills take years to learn. You cant take an athletic running back or receiver and put him as a quarterback it Does Not Work.

    They just need to bite the bullete and say he is a two guard and he can be a mini Bowen. But he needs to be able to hit the three ball from the corner.

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    He doesn't have the best court vision or ball handling skills. He turned the ball over last night and has in the past when taking over PG duties. IMO, he is a little overrated as a backup PG. I know Pop is still experimenting with the lineup and rotations still, but c'mon. Pop needs to let Hill handle the PG duties. He's not that much better than Mason, but he's a rookie. Rookies are bound to make mistakes.

    Your thoughts?
    That is to put it mildly. Mason as a PG is a disaster that the Spurs cannot afford.

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    no!

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    The only question I have is whether Hill set the new SpursTalk record for going from Hall of Famer to scrub. It seems like just the other day I was arguing that Hill was not going to end up better than Tony Parker. Now I have to go to bat for Hill because he's viewed as worse than Jacque Vaughn
    You can thank either our fantastic coaching staff for this rookie's development or lack thereof, or the Spurs Central Intelligence Agency for drafting so wisely.

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    Like most everyone else, I remain completely mystified with Pop's stubborn use of Mason at the backup point guard spot, despite the apparent failed results. That said, I have a question for the masses.

    Does anyone think that Pop sees some intrinsic value in making this move, despite the obvious failed results?

    Or is Pop stubbornly using this move as some sort of militaristic exercise to test Hill's mentality and character? And he's willing to sacrific results, and perhaps team success, to get this point across?

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    I don't think Pop's world revolves around G.H. that much.

    He's most likely doing it for several reasons, with building a rookie's character as an ancilary bonus.

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    My concern is that forcing Mason to play a position that he is not comfortable with is causing a loss of confidence in him. With no confidence, his shots don't fall. It's just not a good fit for him...I think Hill could do a better job as backup PG...

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    My concern is that forcing Mason to play a position that he is not comfortable with is causing a loss of confidence in him. With no confidence, his shots don't fall. It's just not a good fit for him...I think Hill could do a better job as backup PG...
    Or at least the 'addition by subtraction.'

    No reason to up Mason's game/confidence by making him into a weak PG.

    Then you have 2 weak pg's eh?

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    I agree that Hill should be backing up Tony and Mason should be starting with Manu as his backup. I know Manu is better than Mason but I like the way that rotation works and Manu can always play at the end of the game anyway.

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    Last night should be the icing on the cake as far as that project goes. I've been thinking that after every game that Mason looks bad as a backup PG. I've been wrong each time though. Pop keeps going to him though as the backup. So, I think he will continue to do so. I wish he wouldn't.

    I have no clue as to why he keeps using Mason as the backup. I'd rather have Manu than Mason if he's not gonna use G Hill

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    I’d rather play him center.

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    Is this still under debate?

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    No Mason is not a good backup pg.

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    sometimes mason looks good at pg and sometimes he doesn't so idk but we all know now that mason is going to be the backup....i prefer hill even though hes a rookie but i like him better as pg over mason

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    I would have to say no...mason isn't a good pg

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