An IPod?

[Don Quixote]

I was going to rag on Don for saying Palin is electable, but then again there is not a single person on the right who is electable for president at the moment. That party is beyond complete disarray.

The Democrats were there in the recent past, but one thing is for damn sure, Dean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steele.

Dean was a total surprise. I thought for sure after his YEEEEAH moment that he would be a lousy chair. But he did a great job.

Steele I don't know about. I would have preferred someone with more conservative bona fides.

And I never said Palin was electable as President. In fact, I have expressed doubts about that. But I do think the world of her and wish her luck against the media and liberals. She has her work cut out for her. I do know this ... if she were a liberal woman, she would be lauded for her courage and folksiness.

[Don Quixote]

This is the guy with values who would destroy Obama?

Classic



Do conservatives not realize how far off kilter they've gone?

Love how they sped up the tape for the first go-around on the clip of Limbaugh. They did this during the Michael J. Fox controversy too. Second, spare me the righteous indignation. What Rush said about Brown's sucking up to Obama is nothing compared to the slander Bush and Rush got/get on a daily basis from the media. Anal poisoning? That's nothing.

And third, who is the commentator? Never heard of him. This is a classic CNN hatchet job, nothing more.

[Don Quixote]

First, Obama does use logical fallacies as well. That's why I said I'd like to see a debate with those two. I didn't say Obama would wipe the floor with him, though I do believe he'd win.

As far as bad arguing... here's one example... http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/r...aughquotes.htm

"This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation...I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of the need to blow some steam off?" --on the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal

That obviously isn't the case, and I'm sure Rush knows it, but he'll use the faulty comparison to rile up his listeners.

Another one is this quote, "The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them."

Statements like that, deliberately dumbed down for the masses, so stupid people can listen to the radio and say, "YEAH!"

(Note: I'm not saying only stupid people listen to Rush. I am saying that the stupid people are listening to dog whistles on his show and jumping in the air. Yes, it happens with liberal shows too.)

I don't know much about what happened at Abu Ghraib. I know that prisoners were mistreated. The soldiers involved were disciplined and that was that. I think Rush was objecting to the Left's using it to protest the war in general.

Second, I care more about the substance of the message than the debating skill, although the ability to articulate a message is important too. In my opinion, Obama offers a warmed-over domestic socialism from the 60's, that has been tried and failed miserably. Rush offers what I believe is a far better model -- low taxes, limited govt, and greater opportunity for all. And, without a teleprompter.

And third, I know quite a few of the quotes were ripped from their context and misreported by the MSM (standard for them). The feminism quote was a joke to tweak feminists. The Rx pain pills was an admission of his addiction (that he took full responsibility for, didn't blame anyone but himself, and got help for). I see nothing wrong with convicting white drug dealers.

The bit about Hillary Clinton sounding like a nagging ex-wife is ... true. And funny.

The phony soldiers bit was ripped from his comments about actual phony soldiers and mis-applied by the MSM as if it was meant to slander real soldiers. Rush discussed this at length on his show when this problem broke. This is a standard trick of the MSM -- they hate Rush and view him as a threat.

The page in general is a typical smear job on the guy. If there's a SPECIFIC problem you have with a specific Rush quote, I'm all ears. Remember, I like him only insofar as he articulates conservative philosophy. If he were (he wouldn't) to get away from them, I would stop listening, or at least get on him harder.

[MannyIsGod]

Love how they sped up the tape for the first go-around on the clip of Limbaugh. They did this during the Michael J. Fox controversy too.

I'd love to know what context Rush's choice of a description would endear him to mainstream America.

Second, spare me the righteous indignation. What Rush said about Brown's sucking up to Obama is nothing compared to the slander Bush and Rush got/get on a daily basis from the media. Anal poisoning? That's nothing.

Strawman. No one is elevating those people to the stature of you're elevating Rush.

And third, who is the commentator? Never heard of him. This is a classic CNN hatchet job, nothing more.

Yeah - the fact that you've never seen the guy is extremely relevant here in this discussion. Poor Rush! Always the vicitm!

[MannyIsGod]

Rush is such a victim, his horrible things are always taken out of context which if reported correctly would paint pictures of raindows and fields full of flowers. Somehow that the guy is constant getting in trouble for what he says is a strike against everyone else but Rush. Amazing.

You should honestly never make any messiah comments again. I believe thats what is referred to as projection.

[Don Quixote]

Not quite. Defending the guy against slander is not the same as worshiping the guy, like some Obama-followers do. Admiring someone's bravery and (let's face it) strength in the face of constant attacks from the media is not the same thing as attributing Messiah-status to him.

He's an articulate and valuable defender of conservative values. I don't think he walks on water. But I will defend him against slander. Obama, who I don't believe is a Muslim or a closet commie (that's slander), is a big govt -bag who is wildly overrated. His followers truly do think he's Jesus. Come to New Orleans sometimes. Good Lord!

But that's just my opinion. I don't expect liberals to like, respect, or get Rush. And I don't want them to.

[MannyIsGod]

The only people calling Obama the Messiah are those on the right. I know of not one liberal on this board who has defended every action Obama has undertaken nor any liberal on this board who expected anything from Obama other than what we have seen so far with the excetion of a few things (the MJ remarks caught me very much offguard but I believe that was more a timing thing).

But it suits you to act as if there is an actual substative group of people who believe that way because it is your way of marginalizing him. Its really transparant.

In any event, unlike you - we're able to be critical of those we support and not simply blame everything on others. Poor Rush, always the victim of slandar (hint, its not slandar to replay ones own words) and so misunderstood.

[Creepn]

Can I get some evidence of someone slandering Rush? Everytime I hear someone talking about Rush, they are just talking about something ridiculous he said for example, the "anal poisoning". I dont think that is slander.

[Don Quixote]

Sometimes he just says throwaway stuff. He knows it tweaks liberals, and he enjoys watching them all twisted in knots over something he said. I don't think the anal poisoning bit was worth the CNN story for starters. It wasn't even that funny.

CNN's attention to the anal bit do reveal something about them. They didn't even touch the substance of what Rush was saying. Instead, we got fake indignation about anals and stuff. Really. Like they're offended by that stuff. It was nothing.

[Don Quixote]

The only people calling Obama the Messiah are those on the right. I know of not one liberal on this board who has defended every action Obama has undertaken nor any liberal on this board who expected anything from Obama other than what we have seen so far with the excetion of a few things (the MJ remarks caught me very much offguard but I believe that was more a timing thing).

But it suits you to act as if there is an actual substative group of people who believe that way because it is your way of marginalizing him. Its really transparant.

In any event, unlike you - we're able to be critical of those we support and not simply blame everything on others. Poor Rush, always the victim of slandar (hint, its not slandar to replay ones own words) and so misunderstood.

Okay. Fine. I know noone on the Left is actually callinh him the Messiah. That's our word for him. I get it. But just because liberals don't use the word doesn't mean that's not what they think him to be. Clearly his campaign (still running, BTW) portrayed him as this great awesome hope. It was based more about the person than anything else. Hey, it was an effective campaign.

Anyway, is there something Obama has done, or might do, to make you love him less? Did you expect the stock market crash, the tax cheats in the cabinet, and the pork? What about the deficits? What specifically do you disagree with him about? What would cause you to lose support for him?

(My disagreements with Pres Bush were well-known. Rush, not so much, but he's not an elected official anyway.)

[Creepn]

CNN's attention to the anal bit do reveal something about them. They didn't even touch the substance of what Rush was saying. Instead, we got fake indignation about anals and stuff. Really. Like they're offended by that stuff. It was nothing.

There really wasnt much substance though. The substance was that Rush hates anybody who respects and praises our President. So the reporting basically shows that an immature grown ass man resorts to middle school behavior when people are friends with people he hates. If I'm wrong about the "substance" thing, please tell me what it is.

Also, did Rush get anal poisoning from all of the praise he gave Bush?

[Don Quixote]

There really wasnt much substance though. The substance was that Rush hates anybody who respects and praises our President. So the reporting basically shows that an immature grown ass man resorts to middle school behavior when people are friends with people he hates. If I'm wrong about the "substance" thing, please tell me what it is.

Also, did Rush get anal poisoning from all of the praise he gave Bush?

Did you listen to the program that day? I missed it. I'm sure that Rush was lampooing Brown's "endless love" for Obama. Hope and change, etc. But I don't know about the whole story. My point is, CNN, who had access to the whole segment, made two words the issue, and totally ignored what Rush was saying. And then acted like they were disgusted.

And maybe Rush does hate people who praise Obama. So what if he does? I personally don't think he does (Ann Coulter does), but so what? Don't liberals hate him? Or anyone who has a shred of respect for Bush?

And third, Rush criticized Bush ALL the time. Are you a listener? Did you listen at all during the Bush years? (I mean, listen to the show, not the clips that CNN or NBC serve up when they want to do a piece on him.) If you were, then you would know that Rush got on Bush's tail often.

[Cry Havoc]

Did you listen to the program that day? I missed it. I'm sure that Rush was lampooing Brown's "endless love" for Obama. Hope and change, etc. But I don't know about the whole story. My point is, CNN, who had access to the whole segment, made two words the issue, and totally ignored what Rush was saying. And then acted like they were disgusted.

Perhaps if Mr. Limbaugh, as a leading representative of his party, conducted himself in a manner that wasn't bearing so much resemblance to a pubescent 7th grade student, there would be much less ado made out of him with news bits like this. And if Rush is as intelligent as you are making him out to be, he KNOWS that those statements will get airplay, which is exactly why he says them.

But please, forget about the anal poisoning comment. How about his remarks toward Michael J. Fox? Is the kind of man you want to support someone who is willing to attack and ridicule a person with an unconditionally fatal, degenerative disease? More to the point, would YOU ever make a statement like that about someone? And this was just for APPEARING in a political advertisement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5INPn9lCNp4

Does this look like someone who deserves to be attacked for simply voicing his opinion on television? To be honest, this was beyond low of Rush. This was a monstrous deed, and no amount of apology can really undo the incredible amount of disdain I feel towards him, for this act alone. Even THINKING about saying this kind of thing, or whispering it to a friend, is beyond comprehension to me. To actually say it on national airwaves is appallingly ludicrous.

And maybe Rush does hate people who praise Obama. So what if he does? I personally don't think he does (Ann Coulter does), but so what? Don't liberals hate him? Or anyone who has a shred of respect for Bush?

There is a massive difference between disliking someone for their political views and disliking someone because they have absolutely no decency. I do not dislike Rush because he's so conservative, I dislike him to the point of anger because he is a vile human being who is about nothing but his own agenda, his viewpoints, and ripping on people who disagree with him to the point of abject humiliation, such as the Michael J. Fox case above. I do not attack someone so lightly and there are very few individuals that I feel such strong negative emotions about, but Rush is one of them. He's a complete asshole and he doesn't care, because it makes him money and gets people to listen to him.

And third, Rush criticized Bush ALL the time. Are you a listener? Did you listen at all during the Bush years? (I mean, listen to the show, not the clips that CNN or NBC serve up when they want to do a piece on him.) If you were, then you would know that Rush got on Bush's tail often.

Of course Rush criticized Bush. Rush criticizes anyone who isn't in 100% complete absolute pandering worshipful agreement of his own viewpoint. Which might be an okay thing if he would ever admit to actually being wrong.

Which brings up another point. One of the most wonderful traits I know that a person can possess is humility and the ability of a person to admit, earnestly and honestly, that a mistake was made. That is wisdom -- being able to see what's right in spite of what you personally may feel at first. Rush, to me, is the opposite of wisdom. Anything that is not in express agreement with him is to be torn down and cast aside as idiotic. I don't think you're a stupid person for listening to him, but I -DO- find it idiotic for a person to even take Rush seriously, to say nothing of heralding him like a paragon of virtue and a leader of the conservative movement. It says a lot about the republican party that this guy is so elevated right now, and it makes me sick.

[RandomGuy]

Still ignorant of what she was given, eh. One would think after being called ignorant and told there was more to the gift, you might think to find out what it might be.

Instead, you are quite proud of your continued ignorance.

Now she might have even asked for the iPod? Aren't you happy you got all worked up about this?

You notice that Yoni and crew dropped the "iPod" schtick pretty fast.

No more poo to fling.

[JoeChalupa]

You notice that Yoni and crew dropped the "iPod" schtick pretty fast.

No more poo to fling.

Until he finds another article.

[LnGrrrR]

I don't know much about what happened at Abu Ghraib. I know that prisoners were mistreated. The soldiers involved were disciplined and that was that. I think Rush was objecting to the Left's using it to protest the war in general.

War causes unintended consequences. Isnt' that the Right's view when it comes to Lefties messing with economic policies? I don't see how the view that war can have far-reaching unintended consequences to be that much different, or wrong.

And you know as well as I do that there's no way that those guards get away with that unless leadership is incompetent or turns a blind eye.

Second, I care more about the substance of the message than the debating skill, although the ability to articulate a message is important too. In my opinion, Obama offers a warmed-over domestic socialism from the 60's, that has been tried and failed miserably. Rush offers what I believe is a far better model -- low taxes, limited govt, and greater opportunity for all. And, without a teleprompter.

I disagree, but hey, to each their own. And really, I don't care whether or not he has a teleprompter or not

And third, I know quite a few of the quotes were ripped from their context and misreported by the MSM (standard for them). The feminism quote was a joke to tweak feminists. The Rx pain pills was an admission of his addiction (that he took full responsibility for, didn't blame anyone but himself, and got help for). I see nothing wrong with convicting white drug dealers.

The bit about Hillary Clinton sounding like a nagging ex-wife is ... true. And funny.

The phony soldiers bit was ripped from his comments about actual phony soldiers and mis-applied by the MSM as if it was meant to slander real soldiers. Rush discussed this at length on his show when this problem broke. This is a standard trick of the MSM -- they hate Rush and view him as a threat.

The page in general is a typical smear job on the guy. If there's a SPECIFIC problem you have with a specific Rush quote, I'm all ears. Remember, I like him only insofar as he articulates conservative philosophy. If he were (he wouldn't) to get away from them, I would stop listening, or at least get on him harder.

Note: I didn't agree with the whole page, I just picked out the ones I thought were examples of bad arguing and used the page as a source. Do you not think that the Abu Ghraib situation was far different from a simple 'hazing'?

[LnGrrrR]

His followers truly do think he's Jesus. Come to New Orleans sometimes.

Edit: You already answered this above.

I'd just like to point out though that there are as many people who think Obama will take care of all their problems as there are people who think Obama is the AntiChrist and is going to kick off the Apocalypse

[LnGrrrR]

Anyway, is there something Obama has done, or might do, to make you love him less? Did you expect the stock market crash, the tax cheats in the cabinet, and the pork? What about the deficits? What specifically do you disagree with him about? What would cause you to lose support for him?

Many liberals on these boards have dissented with Obama's stances. On FISA, on state secrets privelege, on how far the bailout should go or whether we should have one at all, and a few other things. For the majority, liberals are going to give him a pass on alot because either A) they agree with him or B) he's only been in office a few months, so they're giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[LnGrrrR]

And third, Rush criticized Bush ALL the time. Are you a listener? Did you listen at all during the Bush years? (I mean, listen to the show, not the clips that CNN or NBC serve up when they want to do a piece on him.) If you were, then you would know that Rush got on Bush's tail often.

Yes... for not being right enough I can only hope that politicians follow Rush hehe.

[Crookshanks]

I listen to Rush every day, so I'm very familiar with the segment where he mentioned anal poisoning. If you listen to Rush on a regular basis - you would completely understand what he was saying. Rush is always making fun of the people who just take whatever Obama hands out. He was always using the phrase "bend over and grab your ankles" when people were being "screwed" - and he used it for everyone - not just libs.

Anyway - I guess some people on his staff gave him a hard time about using that imagery - so he started calling Obama's adoring staff "Obama's butt boys". Which I thought was kinda funny. That's what he was referring to with Gordon Brown. Brown was really dissed by Obama when he came to D.C., yet there he was at the G20 just going on and on about how wonderful Obama is. Rush was saying that Brown was such an eager and willing "butt boy" that he was going to get anal poisoning.

Considering all the crude remarks on this board about guys being gay and liking anal sex - I'm kinda surprised at the outrage over Rush's comment.

[Blake]

Considering all the crude remarks on this board about guys being gay and liking anal sex - I'm kinda surprised at the outrage over Rush's comment.

I'm not sure anyone on this board has a nationally syndicated talk show.

[Cry Havoc]

I listen to Rush every day, so I'm very familiar with the segment where he mentioned anal poisoning. If you listen to Rush on a regular basis - you would completely understand what he was saying. Rush is always making fun of the people who just take whatever Obama hands out. He was always using the phrase "bend over and grab your ankles" when people were being "screwed" - and he used it for everyone - not just libs.

Wow, you're right. Know that I know Rush better, he seems a far more balanced, mature individual.

Anyway - I guess some people on his staff gave him a hard time about using that imagery - so he started calling Obama's adoring staff "Obama's butt boys". Which I thought was kinda funny. That's what he was referring to with Gordon Brown. Brown was really dissed by Obama when he came to D.C., yet there he was at the G20 just going on and on about how wonderful Obama is. Rush was saying that Brown was such an eager and willing "butt boy" that he was going to get anal poisoning.

THAT'S the context that exonerates Rush?

Considering all the crude remarks on this board about guys being gay and liking anal sex - I'm kinda surprised at the outrage over Rush's comment.

So let's be clear here: It's crude and awful for a random person (who might be any age at all) on a random sports-related message board to make a comment about such activity, but an adult male with a nationally syndicated talk-show can make such a comment for anyone who wants to hear, and suddenly we're being overly critical of him when we point out how childish, rude, and tactless he is? Is this the logic you're attempting to get us to follow here? Do you even know how many (few) people in the political forum engage in such phobic chatter, even on the other boards or away from the keyboard?

[JoeChalupa]

I'm too cheap to own an Ipod.

[ChumpDumper]

She should go to rehab and write a book. Then she will have enough money to buy all the coke she wants.

[Cry Havoc]

She should go to rehab and write a book. Then she will have enough money to buy all the coke she wants.

Wrong thread, dude.