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That's basically the equivalent of a woman with breast cancer deciding to not treat it.
So let me get this straight, you want to make virtually no roster changes to a team that's headed nowhere. Kerr isn't the greatest GM in the world but thank god you aren't GM.
That's basically the equivalent of a woman with breast cancer deciding to not treat it.
Then they better doing some serious restructuring in addition to that. Nash almost got them to the finals a couple years back, so I'm not pinning all the problems on him... But they need to address help defense where Marion was very strong. The problem is people penetrate in such a manner that Shaq can't rotate and amare the only big athletic enough to doesn't.
They need to fix perimeter and weakside help D. I know nash is an easy target, but I've seen dragic and barbosa get smoked by elite PGs just as bad. The best defense is played by a team, not individuals trying to shut down one person. The spurs are a perfect example of this. ( in spurs...)
its time to clean house. keep amare and barbosa. j rich cant be moved but shaq and nash is in their contract year so there may be people interested. if you dont want a long contract in return, buyout shaq
He's anything but an easy target. There are tons of Nash T-baggers that blindly defend him like you are doing right now.
In case you forgot, the Suns sucked at defense when they had Marion, which is what pisses me off the most about the Nash/D'antoni lovers is the short term memory loss. You s talk about the Suns prior to the Shaq trade like they were a world class defensive team, their D sucked just as much prior to the trade only in different areas.
They didn't suck this bad... I think their performance after dantoni left showed that they did play a little d.
YAY!!! Keep this team together so we can watch a borderline playoff team for another season!!! Who cares all that does is delay several years of rebuilding!!! Nash needs to have fun!!! We love our boys in orange!!!
Incase you didn't notice, D'antoni, Nash and Marion haven't accomplished . Shaq had four rings. Why do you think Shaq is the reason this team can't win a le?
What's even worse is that you even want them to keep Barnes. He's like the Sasha Vujacic of the Suns. He contributes nothing but the little cult of fans that know nothing about basketball like him for no reason.
Keep everyone. The team's been playing historically good offense since the coaching change. You can't break up this great of an offensive team. You just have to have them buy into an "average defensive philosophy"
As 2001 showed w/ the Lakers and 2006 showed w/ the Mavs, you don't need elite defense to win a championship if your offense is efficient enough.
Shaq played well this year, but Amare didn't. Last year Amare played well but Shaq didn't. You have a fearsome front court if you have both playing well at the same time.
If it still isn't working out by trade deadline 2010, have a fire sale.
The one thing to watch out for is Shaq though. Players who have significant rises in production after the age of 28 typically come back down the Earth the next year (according to Hollinger). It could be possible Shaq reverts to 07-08 form next year.
Isn't that what Terry Porter was brought in to do and then was totally sold up the river by management and bunch of players too lazy and pampered to bust their ass on defense . I don't think you play defense half way. You either commit to it , or a half ass attempt will produce results you see from them now. Oh , Porter may not have been the greatest coach,but he isn't an idiot. He was doing what he was hired to do.
Good thing the Suns corrected that mistake. Their new back to no defense plan has really paid dividends.
They didn't make the right adjustments to accomodate shaq and porter, basically trying to fit square pegs into round holes. They sacrificed their best defensive player for shaq who is not too old to quickly rotate to cover when nash,barbosa or whoever get burned or hung up on pick.
Shaq was dominate the first 3 les he got, the 4th not so much, but just enough as well as an assist from dallas choking. Shaq can help counter timmy, but he can't rotate to stop the parkers,CP3s, and ginobili's driving.
D'antoni, nash, and marion came close several times, may have made it if Amare and Diaw didn't step on the court that one game. (The spurs and suns were clearly the 2 best teams that year)
Basically I think they need 1 great perimeter defender and someone that will rotate from the weakside (Amare I'm talking to you). Unfortunately, I'm not aware of many physically gifted freaks like marion available.
Using my above theory, I think Barnes and Hill would be the oddmen out since Shaq unfortunately is probably impossible to unload unless they give him to a contender somehow and give up on next year which makes no sense if they keep nash.
You're an idiot if you think that will make them a contender. Help defense only does so much. If Nash lets a player blow by him every time, it's not the help defense's problem. The reason Kidd had 20 assists was because someone helped off another player and Kidd found that player. I don't understand what's so hard to get about that.
The Suns would still be a crud defensive team if they had Marion.
That's cute. Maybe one day they'll give trophies out for coming close.
Well if they're planning on keeping nash, lets hear your solution.
That's like asking a doctor, "Well if I don't feel like treating my fatal disease, what's your solution as to how I'm going to live?"
There is no way the will win with Nash. I know he's your BFF so that's hard to admit, but deal with it.
Then you're going to have a couple long years if they do resign him. I'm just considering the case that he does get resigned that someone else in this thread mentioned. If he gets traded or moves, so be it. But if he stays, they have to do something to help him on D. And as I mentioned other younger players on the suns get left if their tracks too playing quicker guards, when this happens I see it as team defense failing.
Why can't they just tell him to man up and play defense? This allusion you have that the Spurs have a good defense merely cause of the team is wrong. If Parker was as bad on D as Nash was their D would suffer greatly.
So will you.....O crap....that's right.....I'm the Suns fan, you're the Nash fan. As long as Nash is on the Suns you're happy.
I am a nash fan and an amare fan. You're right. But you also have to accept that if they stay, those are the people the suns have to work with. Seriously I'd rather see nash go than Amare, but if they both stay then you have to consider what can be done to make the team better outside of them. And I stand by my view that their problems run deeper than just a pg and pf...
Which is why I want basically everyone gone. There's no way they can pinpoint the specific problems which is why they need to scrap the whole thing and start over.
And idk how many injuries, dumb decisions, at ude problems, distractions, and locker room conflicts Amare needs to have before you would want to trade him.
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The problem is, the time to trade amare was a year ago. They're not going to get fair value to him with questions about his eye. Trade him to the west and you'll get to see him dunking on the suns for the next 6 years or so. Send him east and you get squat.
Getting rid of Shaq is damn near impossible too. Out of Amare, Shaq, and Nash, I think nash is the easiest to move and get something worthwhile in return in the form of youth.
That's such a dumb statement. Cool, he can dunk the ball. Dunks don't win games. Post up skills, defense, fundamental rebounding, and good decision making wins games. Amare has none of that.
What exactly is fair value for a PF who can't create his own inside shot, is a liability on defense, is hated by every teammate he's ever had, and is more concerned with himself than the team?
Offer amare to memphis for conley and gasol.. then trade nash and someone else for kevin martin.. then figure out something with shaq
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