Come N Get it-- All Remaining Games for Western Playoff teams, seeding, tiebreakers !

[kobyz]

yes, you would get your wish

Lakers
Denver
Blazers
Spurs
Rockets
Hornets
Dallas
Utah

i think the spurs will be 3 seed cause they will be division champion

[Mugen]

You forget that if Portland wins, Denver also falls to 54-28, making it a 3 team tie...

if portland beats denver then what is their head 2 head record?

edit: just checked it, if portland beats denver then they split their season series. do you know who would win the division if this happens??

im so damn confused

[ElNono]

if portland beats denver then what is their head 2 head record?

Denver has more wins against the Division, so they win that tiebreaker...

[Mavs<Spurs]

See? That means the Spurs would get the #3 seed

But this is incorrect.

We have agreed that the rules posted are current and accurate.

According to those rules, if Portland and San Antonio win and Houston loses, then Portland is the number three seed because of the head to head 3 to 1 regular season series that they won against us.

San Antonio would have a better record than Houston. Thus, San Antonio would be the fourth seed.

This would leave Houston as the fifth seed.

This is simply an application of those rules in order.

And the fourth seed plays the fifth seed. So, that means that San Antonio would play Houston and San Antonio would have hca.

[NewJerSpur]

Denver has more wins against the Division, so they win that tiebreaker...

So again, would that mean if SA win, Portland wins, and Houston loses that we get the #3 seed?

[ElNono]

There's nothing incorrect. The trick here is that if there's a three way tie, and there will be in that scenerio, you need to apply the alternate rules, whose first tie breaker go to division champs.

[ElNono]

So again, would that mean if SA win, Portland wins, and Houston loses that we get the #3 seed?

I think so, because you would need to apply the three way tie rules. Furthermore, we now have the San Antonio, Houston and Portland guys all confirming this.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Denver has more wins against the Division, so they win that tiebreaker...

That is a true statement.

Denver has a 12-3 record in Division.

Portland has a 10-5 record in Division.

A Portland loss to Denver would mean that Denver would have a 12-4 division record and Portland would have an 11-5 division record.

So, Denver would still have the better division record even if they lose to Portland in their last game.

Basically, Denver keeps the number two seed if they win against Portland.
However, Houston has the tiebreaker if Houston and Denver are in a 2 way tie. I have confirmed this. Houston won the regular season series 2 to 1. Thus, if Houston and Denver have identical records at the end of the season, Houston gets the better seed, providing that it is only a 2 way tie.

[Mavs<Spurs]

There's nothing incorrect. The trick here is that if there's a three way tie, and there will be in that scenerio, you need to apply the alternate rules, whose first tie breaker go to division champs.

But Houston losing while Portland and San Antonio winning would leave Houston at 53 wins 29 losses and San Antonio and Portland would both have records of 54 wins 28 losses.

Thus, there would not be a 3 way tie. Rather, there would be a 2 way tie which Portland would win.

The current record of all 3 teams is 53 wins 28 losses.

[Mel_13]

Thanks to McDonald, I've got the same headache others have when looking at this stuff. But, I'm going to take one more shot at making the various scenarios easier to digest.

First off, forget about Denver. They have clinched their division and there is one, and only one, scenario in which they fall from second seed to the third seed. In a 4-way tie, the seeds are Houston, Denver, Blazers, Spurs. In every other scenario, Denver is the 2 seed.

If the Spurs lose, they are the 5 seed. Period.

If the Spurs, Blazers, and Rockets all win, the Spurs are 5th and play the Blazers

If the Spurs win, and the Rockets and Blazers both lose, the Spurs are 3rd and play the Mavs.

If the Spurs and the Rockets win while the Blazers lose, the Spurs are 4th and play the Blazers

If the Spurs and the Blazers win while the Rockets lose (the TIMVP scenario), the Spurs are 4th and play the Rockets.

Thanks for your work here Mavs<Spurs

[Mavs<Spurs]

I think so, because you would need to apply the three way tie rules. Furthermore, we now have the San Antonio, Houston and Portland guys all confirming this.

But there would not be a 3 way tie.

There would only be a 2 way tie with Portland and San Antonio having records of 54 wins 28 losses and Houston having a record of 53 wins 29 losses.

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_re...w_Std_Div.html

That's the official NBA.com listing of standings and records. It is updated to include the most recent results.

[ElNono]

But Houston losing while Portland and San Antonio winning would leave Houston at 53 wins 29 losses and San Antonio and Portland would both have records of 54 wins 28 losses.

Thus, there would not be a 3 way tie. Rather, there would be a 2 way tie which Portland would win.

The current record of all 3 teams is 53 wins 28 losses.

Portland winning implies Denver losing. Now go take a look at Denver record and see what it would look like if they lost one more game. Now compare against the Portland and Spurs record, adding one win to them. The three way tie would be between Denver-Portland-San Antonio. Houston doesn't enter the picture here.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Thanks to McDonald, I've got the same headache others have when looking at this stuff. But, I'm going to take one more shot at making the various scenarios easier to digest.

First off, forget about Denver. They have clinched their division and there is one, and only one, scenario in which they fall from second seed to the third seed. In a 4-way tie, the seeds are Houston, Denver, Blazers, Spurs. In every other scenario, Denver is the 2 seed.

If the Spurs lose, they are the 5 seed. Period.

If the Spurs, Blazers, and Rockets all win, the Spurs are 5th and play the Blazers

If the Spurs win, and the Rockets and Blazers both lose, the Spurs are 3rd and play the Hornets

If the Spurs and the Rockets win while the Blazers lose, the Spurs are 4th and play the Blazers

If the Spurs and the Blazers win while the Rockets lose (the TIMVP scenario), the Spurs are 4th and play the Rockets.

Thanks for your work here Mavs<Spurs

Perfect !

Thanks for the encouragement!

Go Spurs !

Go _allas ! * (for one game only)

Go Spurstalk !

and Mavs are still less than the Spurs !

[timvp]

Thanks to McDonald, I've got the same headache others have when looking at this stuff. But, I'm going to take one more shot at making the various scenarios easier to digest.

First off, forget about Denver. They have clinched their division and there is one, and only one, scenario in which they fall from second seed to the third seed. In a 4-way tie, the seeds are Houston, Denver, Blazers, Spurs. In every other scenario, Denver is the 2 seed.

If the Spurs lose, they are the 5 seed. Period.

If the Spurs, Blazers, and Rockets all win, the Spurs are 5th and play the Blazers

If the Spurs win, and the Rockets and Blazers both lose, the Spurs are 3rd and play the Hornets

If the Spurs and the Rockets win while the Blazers lose, the Spurs are 4th and play the Blazers

If the Spurs and the Blazers win while the Rockets lose (the TIMVP scenario), the Spurs are 4th and play the Rockets.

Thanks for your work here Mavs<Spurs

Nice. I don't see any Spurs vs. Mavs matchup so that's good news at least.

[HarlemHeat37]

how is that possible though?..

if the Rockets lose, that would mean the Mavs won..and if we won, that would mean New Orleans lost..

so that would put us at 3rd, and Dallas at 6th..

[ElNono]

Lol guys... Lets do it a bit more clear:

Denver: 54-27 => LOSE => 54-28
Portland: 53-28 => WIN => 54-28
Spurs: 53-28 => WIN => 54-28

See te 3 team tie now? And if we apply the three team tiebreaker...

[Longley]

Oh man, its sick. After 81 games and its still open every way.

[Mel_13]

how is that possible though?..

if the Rockets lose, that would mean the Mavs won..and if we won, that would mean New Orleans lost..

so that would put us at 3rd, and Dallas at 6th..

You're right. I give up. I'm going to edit my post and get some sleep. Sorry TimVP, we can play the Mavs.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Portland winning implies Denver losing. Now go take a look at Denver record and see what it would look like if they lost one more game. Now compare against the Portland and Spurs record, adding one win to them. The three way tie would be between Denver-Portland-San Antonio. Houston doesn't enter the picture here.

I thought that you were thinking of Houston.

Denver would be hold the 2 way tiebreaker against Portland.

Now, a question I have is this: Denver would ultimately get the tiebreaker against Portland. So, Denver would win its division. So, Denver would be considered a division winner like San Antonio. When does this placement take place ?

My answer would be after the first clear division winner has been placed at the top.

In that case, San Antonio would be the number 2 seed.
Denver would be the # 3 seed.
Portland would be the #4 seed.
Houston would be the #5 seed.

However, I am far from certain about this. I want to be clear when I am not certain about the results. And this is one of those times.

Good catch about the Denver/San Antonio/Portland 3 way tie. As we had been talking about that so much, I simply made an incorrect assumption that you were continuing to think about Houston.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Lol guys... Lets do it a bit more clear:

Denver: 54-27 => LOSE => 54-28
Portland: 53-28 => WIN => 54-28
Spurs: 53-28 => WIN => 54-28

See te 3 team tie now? And if we apply the three team tiebreaker...

This is correct.

There would be 3 teams Denver, Portland and San Antonio with records of 54-28.

Since you mentioned Houston losing and we had been posting so much about Houston being involved in these tiebreakers, I made an unwarranted assumption.

Houston would not be part of a 3 way tie in that scenario.
However, I was incorrect when I said that there would not be a 3 way tie in that scenario. There would be but with the teams of Denver, Portland and San Antonio like you wrote !

Good work !

[ElNono]

I'm fairly sure that the tie breaker says that division winners must be determined, so that would mean that Denver and SA are the winner and you apply the rest of the tie breaker against eachother. Denver wins out on that. So it would be as McDonalds reported:

2 - Denver
3 - San Antonio
4 - Blazers

That said, there's one other tricky scenerio: If HOU, SA and POR all win, then we would end up like this:

2 - HOU
3 - DEN
4 - POR
5 - SA

That would be a 4 team tie right there...

[HarlemHeat37]

before reading all this, I was hoping we play Houston..so Spurs win, Blazers win, and Rockets lose..simple enough, right? if I'm wrong, I give up..

[Longley]

I hope also we will play with Houston.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I'm fairly sure that the tie breaker says that division winners must be determined, so that would mean that Denver and SA are the winner and you apply the rest of the tie breaker against eachother. Denver wins out on that. So it would be as McDonalds reported:

2 - Denver
3 - San Antonio
4 - Blazers

That said, there's one other tricky scenerio: If HOU, SA and POR all win, then we would end up like this:

2 - HOU
3 - DEN
4 - POR
5 - SA

That would be a 4 team tie right there...

I agree with you about both of these scenarios.

Excellent !





My apologies for my mistake about a 2 way when you were right that it would be a 3 way. Thanks for pointing that out and catching it.

[024]

i just noticed something already mentioned. spurs can end up playing dallas in the first round, which would be kind of bad. if the spurs get the 3rd seed, they would have to beat NO and the mavs would have to beat the rockets. this in turn will give the mavs the 6th seed and the spurs the 3rd seed.