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So you think its ok to look back and throw an elbow to a guy's head like Fisher did?
I thought Crawford and Co. did an outstanding job once they realized the game was getting out of hand. They called everything after to make sure more tempers didn't flare.
I think the fact that Stu Jackson was in attendance will force the league to look at some of these plays. The Lakers will get at least one suspension w/ Fisher. Kobe should get one too. If you elbow above the shoulders, its an automatic one-game.
So you think its ok to look back and throw an elbow to a guy's head like Fisher did?
Rockets play physical, but good physical basketball, nothing dirty
Lakers TRY to match that, byt they really suck at it
Haven't you ever seen Minority Report?
Can't say as I have.
The Derek Fisher play was outrageous. The last time a Laker blindsided a Rocket that bad was Kermit Washington and Rudy T.
I was wrong, Fisher is just as much a punk as Bryant, Ariza, and Bynum.
That's a lie
What do you want from a kettle, Mr. pot?
If the league is true they will suspend Kobe 1 game for the elbow to the throat. Fisher as well should lose a game. The Lakers should not get away with cheap shots and try to call it toughness. Kobe and Odem throughout the game showed a complete lack of professionalism with the constant chatter. To suspend Kobe one game may actually be good for Kobe. Otherwise, I have no doubt that one day after Kobe has retired that he will always believe that he is above the rules. He looks to be the future O.J. in the making.
People are surprised that refs helped Lakers win????? come on. this has been happening for decades.
Lakers came out head hunting. Refs should have called a few if not more technicals on the Lakers. But no, they let it play and it got out of hand. the Fakers, the refs. the NBA
oh yes. and Fisher and Kobe should be suspended. Fisher is a piece of .
of course they won't though.
I got a glance of Fisher's post game interview, in his suit pretending to be above the fray with political answers, downplaying the game 2 antics. He's got phony written all over him.
Didn't he win a sportsmanship award a couple years ago just for doing what a father SHOULD do anyway?? He's must have a good PR agent to float around to the sports commentators memos to "say Derek's classy tonight" "mention Derek's sportsman of the year award" "mention my personal struggles" obviously Doug Collins still receives the Derek Fisher memos: "Look how strong and tough he is! so manly!"
I wouldn't be surprised if he really did have a more proactive PR behind him since Derek Fisher is involved with influence in the league as the president of the NBA players union/association from 2006.
Seems to add up that he's just another classless prick with a facade. It's evident in last night's game.
Just another big fat phony baloney.
Last edited by ManuTim_best of Fwiendz; 05-07-2009 at 10:26 AM.
Exactly - with Collins there is a nauseating tendency to try to have the last word on everything, as if he invented basketball.
No surprise that he defended Fischer's flagrant foul. He's that kind of weasel.
On the Fisher play, look at the replay from the camera above the Laker's backboard. You can see Fish actually looking back to see where Scola is coming from at the start of the play. That was so premeditated it's not even funny. Then the says in the post game interview that he was only trying to defend the high pick and roll.
And I still don't know why Artest was ejected, other than Joey wanting to be a star.
I can see the refs giving him a T, but there was no altercation, and if anybody threw an elbow it was Kobe.
Why are people surprised that the Lakers get the calls?
Stop assuming the NBA is a legitimate sport. Did the Tim Donaghy scandal not prove that the NBA is just a more legitimized version of the WWE?
he didn't throw an elbow to his head, he put his shoulder into his chest and pushed his arm out on the follow through. it was premeditated, but a hard playoff foul. being overblown just like horry hip checking nash.
I'm sorry your seeing a different play.
His elbow went right at his head while not connecting there, it connected near there.
Watch the play again.
I was pretty surprised at this too. Someone comes up to set a pick and your lunge and take a swing at him? How is that tough? I was waiting for one of the announcers to call him a little punk jerk, which is what he was out there.
And Kobe's elbow went right into Artest's throat. If you've ever had someone swing an elbow at your head or neck going for a rebound you know that hurts like a muther. And when someone is right up behind you, like Artest was with Kobe, Kobe knew exactly where he was throwing that elbow.
So, yeah, Fisher and Kobe were both bush league last night. Artest probably shouldn't have gone back after Kobe, but for someone who plays as intensely as Artest does, he stayed fairly calm. He probably earned being tossed, though.
Artest is one of those guys whose play degrades when he gets mad, so hopefully he can keep his emotion in check in games three and four.
And Yao got a good taste of what Duncan deals with so much. He was getting totally hacked in the paint for a bunch of no-calls, yet a lot of his fouls were ticky tack stuff. There's no room in today's NBA for true bigmen.
I have, repeatedly. He wasn't throwing an elbow at his head.
Last edited by leemajors; 05-07-2009 at 01:13 PM.
Your slow-motion video shows perfectly what happened. You see Fisher look back for Scola. Then he crouches and loads up, and lunges into Scola, and drives his forearm/elbow upwards towards where Scola's head would have been. The only reason it didn't connect was because Scola's head had already been driven backwards by the head-butt.
Driving into someone head first, and making head-to-head contact like that, will get you a penalty (and often a fine) in the NFL. It's got no place in basketball where guys don't wear pads and helmets.
The real issue here, and the point of the thread, is Joey Crawford. There is no question that it was a cheap shot by Fisher, and it earned him an ejection by the other refs. But Crawford was looking right at it, and never made a move towards his whistle. He wouldn't even have called a foul on Fisher. That is totally unacceptable for an NBA referee. And it is just one more nail in what should be his coffin.
Apparently Doug Collins gets ass banged by Derek Fisher. I hate the Lakers so damn much.
NBA is rigged. Nothing new here.
Rondo smacks miller's head = 'hard playoff foul'.
Rondo grabs heinrich and throws him into table = double tech including one on heinrich for getting thrown into a table.
Artest talks to kobe = EJECTION!!!!!!!
it's a shame that Joey Crawford still in the NBA
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