looks like one of the few things we agree on.
4rth amendment.
lol, in your car the 4rth amendment still applies.
your 4rth amendment right.if you are doing nothing wrong, then what little something do you lose by opening your trunk?
Personal liberty and freedom > Police abusing power and violating the cons utionkeeping society safe > keeping a few people from getting embarassed over their trunk full of dildos
i in' hate cops! in' hate them! all of them! and especially the border patrol!
i got ed with, arrested, and sat in a holding cell for 7 hrs without anyway to piss or because my hands were cuffed that whole time. i got a bunch of "shut the up" from the pigs sitting in their recliners having a huge laugh at my dispense.
these pigs used the "the dog smells drugs" bs on me too, which the dog didn't react at all, and promptly opened my door, dragged my ass out of the car and cuffed me while one cop had me in some sort of a head lock. i didn't even put up a fight so i have no idea why they needed to use such force to begin with.
anyhow, they did find drugs, drugs that were my passengers only later to find out the head was a 2 time felon, not in his 20's like he told all his "friends" and was just one of the stupid s i ever had the misfortune of meeting in my life.
anyhow, those pigs didn't even do ent what went down that day or where they found the in the car, so for the next 3 yrs i was in and out of court fighting to clear my name against that head and those pigs. changed DA's at the end and the new one dropped everything which finally put an end to that nightmare.
what's funny was the fact that i saw 2 chicks come in the the station, while i peaked out the little door window of my cell, that were caught with like a half of some nug. huge ass buds! they came is laughing their asses off, talking to the cops, not cuffed, searched for about 5 minutes, and then let go without anything but a warning. in' bs!
cops! they've never been around when i needed help not even when a drunk driver almost ended my life a couple yrs back. cops responded in castle hills, came about 20 minutes to 30 minutes later while i layed blacked out on the road with people all around me wondering what to do. when the cops showed up they were joking around with one another not even checking on me. they were just standing around doing nothing until ems showed and then they claimed they were there helping me out the whole time which i responded with, " yall!" and swiftly got transported to the hospital.
the only time a cop has ever help me was when my latest ex tried to claim i beat her and the cop gave me some sound advice not to around with that ho no more. thank you pig.
i in' hate cops! in' hate them! all of them! and especially the border patrol!
i got ed with, arrested, and sat in a holding cell for 7 hrs without anyway to piss or because my hands were cuffed that whole time. i got a bunch of "shut the up" from the pigs sitting in their recliners having a huge laugh at my dispense.
these pigs used the "the dog smells drugs" bs on me too, which the dog didn't react at all, and promptly opened my door, dragged my ass out of the car and cuffed me while one cop had me in some sort of a head lock. i didn't even put up a fight so i have no idea why they needed to use such force to begin with.
anyhow, they did find drugs, drugs that were my passengers only later to find out the head was a 2 time felon, not in his 20's like he told all his "friends" and was just one of the stupid s i ever had the misfortune of meeting in my life.
anyhow, those pigs didn't even do ent what went down that day or where they found the in the car, so for the next 3 yrs i was in and out of court fighting to clear my name against that head and those pigs. changed DA's at the end and the new one dropped everything which finally put an end to that nightmare.
what's funny was the fact that i saw 2 chicks come in the the station, while i peaked out the little door window of my cell, that were caught with like a half of some nug. huge ass buds! they came is laughing their asses off, talking to the cops, not cuffed, searched for about 5 minutes, and then let go without anything but a warning. in' bs!
cops! they've never been around when i needed help not even when a drunk driver almost ended my life a couple yrs back. cops responded in castle hills, came about 20 minutes to 30 minutes later while i layed blacked out on the road with people all around me wondering what to do. when the cops showed up they were joking around with one another not even checking on me. they were just standing around doing nothing until ems showed and then they claimed they were there helping me out the whole time which i responded with, " yall!" and swiftly got transported to the hospital.
the only time a cop has ever help me was when my latest ex tried to claim i beat her and the cop gave me some sound advice not to around with that ho no more. thank you pig.
learn what a strawmen fallacy is you dumb .
sorry for the double post... tried to delete it but no option to do so.
But it wasn't full of drugs and if he's not breaking the law and the cops don't have any real pc, then he has a right to not be embarrassed. Or not embarrassed. Or not to open his trunk at all. Whether you care about it or not.
You don't have blanket protection in your home. But in both instances you have a right to be safe from search and seizure without justifiably probable cause. You don't just waive all your 4th amendment rights just because you're driving on a public street. Not even close actually.and as soon as you drive out onto a public street, you do not have the same blanket protection as you do in your house.
The cons ution and subsequent courts disagree with your assessment.
Your cons utional dignity and civil rights. Pretty important.if you are doing nothing wrong, then what little something do you lose by opening your trunk?
But in this instance the cops weren't keeping society safe. And they broke the law. And it's almost too cliche to bump the Franklin quote about liberty vs security, but that's what the situation is. How could you possibly support the notion that we should all just roll over when it comes to the 4th amendment in the name of keeping society safe? That kind of complacency is the fundamental building block of fascism.keeping society safe > keeping a few people from getting embarassed over their trunk full of dildos
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You clearly know absolutely nothing about what we are discussing. I suggest you educate yourself before you make yourself out to be even MORE of a moron. There is not a single person in this thread who isn't laughing at your ignorance right now.I'm surprised ballijuana hasn't absolutely gone off on you for this kind of idiocy.
That's one of my big problems. Somehow during my two marijuana arrests they've managed to get about 4 squad cars and several officers there each time, within minutes.
On the flip side, I once had my wallet stolen out of my car and about 3,000 bucks charged on my credit cards and I couldn't get a single ing ounce of help form the cops until a detective called me back 5 weeks later (after I called him maybe 20 times)... well after the Best Buy security camera footage was long gone.
It's ing ridiculous the way law enforcement prioritizes what they spend their time on. Beyond ridiculous.
^ the same building block as the fools who support the bs patriot act and so on.
probable cause
lol, in your car probable cause still applieslol, in your car the 4rth amendment still applies.
probable causeyour 4rth amendment right.
I agree. It's why police that are found to be abusing their power and violating the cons ution are ususally fired.Personal liberty and freedom > Police abusing power and violating the cons ution
blake you just argue to argue, you sound like a kid and your reasoning is of one.
why don't you explain what a strawmen fallacy is.
If you aren't doing anything wrong, then what's the problem with opening your trunk for 2 minutes for a cop?
People always and everywhere deserve whatever abuse the police feel like delivering.
Here's another one, for your sadistic amusement:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8049633.stm
oh, and the Army has admitted it murdered 30+ detainees.
Dude, about 5 different people have explained to you... You have a cons utional right to not do so. Whether you have something to lose or not. You may not like it, but that's the ing law and has been since 1791.
And nobody, absolutely nobody should have to suffer the punishment of being tasered, and bloodied and dragged out of their car and beaten, because they choose to exercise something that is well within their plain as day cons utional rights.
Quit being a ing idiot. And if you can't do that just STFU already and/or go back to the club.
I got stopped twice a few weekends ago when visiting my parents down in Carrizo Springs. I got a speeding ticket going down and then got stopped by the BP coming home. They had the dogs out and they sniffed around and asked me a few questions and then I was on my way.
He is at the border patrol. They can search anyone they ing want. Please give us a ing break. They should not have beat this instigator up. This dude urged them forward to break into his car. I can't believe one person out of that mob did not step in and say STOP. I can't believe they beat this up especially knowing the cameras were on. All those guys should be FIRED. But that does not excuse pastor weed to give the border patrol a hard time. Some of you guys honestly think everyone is innocent.
I used to go to Canada all the time. Once in awhile they ask you to get out of ur car and open the trunk. You say "no problem" Usually u are on ur way in a few minutes. One time I had to pull off to the side. They brought the dogs and that search took about 10 minutes. They thanked me for my cooperation and I thanked them for doing a good job. ing dumbass wanted something to happen to him. And some of you actually defending him for instigating them. Again they had no right to beat him like they did. They had every right to break his windows, taser him and pull him out of his ride. The beat down was wrong, very wrong, fire them, perhaps even charge them.
But I have nothing against cops for they have been there for me when I needed them. Sure there are bad cops out there but there are also some damn good ones too.
No . Thats the problem, bad cops.
My experence with the police has been fairly positive. Granted, I have fairly light skin, tend not to speed, and don't drink, do drugs of any kind, and wear my seatbelt.
But I have been pulled over for driving with a 'rusty license plate' and driving too slow on the interstate (while trying to get off at my exit). I have been pulled over for not having my lights on on an extreamly well lit street in the twilight hours. I had someone in my car with 2 warrents on him. Not fun. But no tickets. When my car got stolen, they recovered it a few hours later. Another time a group of friends and I were locked out of the car, and an officer quickly came to help.
That video did make me sick, I must say. I agree, there are some things that are not 'illegal' but are still private. Dignity should be respected. I don't know the rulings of the current courts, but the 4th ammendment should still apply inside your car, even on a public road. The tasering was excessive force. To be honest, I am shocked the didn't plant anything after a beatdown like that.
Just keep in mind, the cops in the Rodney King trial won.
And yes, the priorities of these officers do seem skewed.
And now for an anecdote: I once had a conversation with a conservative black man living in a predominently white neighborhod. He not only didn't mind being questioned by the cops on numerous occasions, but he relished it, saying that it is a police officers' job to investigate things that are out of place, and he was something that seemed out of place. I didn't agree with him, as I think personality profiling is much more effective, but it was a of a conversation to have with someon.
Was him name Tom by any chance?
I was about to say 'Blake.'
BAHAHAAHAHA. That's incredible.
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